Sex and gender, and when to apply them.

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Luchito, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    This is a very controversial topic, when chaos is the rule rather than solving the several issues coming from the application of these two words in our society.

    In appearance, these two words sex and gender mean the same for many. But, even when most people and perhaps dictionaries relate them as synonimous. Point is that such is not what happens in reality and is practically a duty to work on it, so people can be taugh in a clear way about their differences.

    After their differences are settled, their correct understanding might finally solve the ethics, morality and justice errors involved when laws are made.

    My proposal is starting with de proper definitions of those words, Later, how to apply those in minors and adults, and so forth.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sex has to do with biology. Gender is determined by society.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Part of the questionnaire for check-in at the local hospital asks "gender assigned at birth?".

    And, my son had a student who preferred the pronoun "they" when referring to herself.

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    I don't get it
    but then again
    I don't have to get it to follow someone's wishes
    (no matter how bizarre I perceive them to be)
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That would be "when referring to themselves." (I get it wrong too all the time; takes a while to get used to.)
     
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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Stupid hospital. Seems like administration trying to appear woke

    The vast majority of illnesses do not have gender playing a pivotal role

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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all. It is useful for a hospital to know if the patient has medical records under a different gender. Same reason they ask you "have you ever donated under a different name?" when you go to donate blood.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Then the patient is at fault if a hospital ask for "any relevant previous medical history" and they neglect to mention "ya 10 years ago I went to Blah blah blah but I was it then not os

    As for blood donations the relevant information is how many donations the donor has given? ie are they donating to obtain money or food etc

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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, they're at fault. But hospitals are used to dealing with forgetful/incompetent/neglectful patients, so they ask.

    I had a trans employee once and she was often unsure when the hospital needed to know, so she always waited to be asked before volunteering the information.
    Nope. More importantly it's to find out whether they have (say) HIV which was discovered in a previous donation attempt. (I've donated 11 gallons over the course of my life - never had anyone wonder if I was getting paid.)
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Regardless of answer blood will be tested. I was not allowed to donate years ago when I returned from England and England was having the mad cow disease outbreak

    As for being paid I have only seen that in the movies from America. Does not happen Australia. Again years ago you could have a small beer, now coffee or tea or perhaps soft drink with a biscuit is your choice

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  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. The reason that the blood supply is relatively safe is that they have defense-in-depth - testing AND correlation with previous testing AND questionnaires.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    if the state or condition does not already exist
    how can a word bring it into physical reality ?

    & re-building your own blood is good for you
    new blood carry's more oxygen
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Red blood cells last about 120 days and become food for macrophages after that. So I don't think taking out 8% is much of a stretch when

    During a regular donation, you will give around 470ml of whole blood. This is about 8% of the average adult’s blood volume.

    The body replaces this volume within 24 to 48 hours, and replenishes red blood cells in 10 to 12 weeks.


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  17. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    Right to the point, your input says a lot.

    Sex has to do with biology.

    Great.

    Then, as far as we know, based on biology, there is not such thing that a man can become a woman, or a woman becoming a man.

    You are born a man, then you will die the same. This is according to biology.

    Gender is determined by society.

    Then gender comes to be the behavior, not so the sex of the individual.

    Is this correct, billvon?

    Is it?
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    How about if born hermaphrodite but not overtly obvious at birth?

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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sure there is. Surgery can change one's biology. (Ask anyone who has a heart valve replaced if modern medicine can change how their biological form works.)
    Behavior? No. Society? Yes. In our society, since we believe in personal freedom, we give that decision to the individual. I imagine in countries with limited personal freedom they probably just assign one.
     
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    There are very few real hermaphrodites out there.

    However, there are a lot (tens of thousands) of people with AIS. These are people who are genetically male but biologically female. In some cases they go their whole lives without knowing. This once became an issue because a woman who was competing in the Olympics was tested - and it was discovered that she was genetically male.
     
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  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    software drives a computer
    personality drives a human
    the brain can be male female or both or neither

    gender programming has been and is still a large part of most cultures

    gender is an assignment of sexual function

    i am about 60/40 female male
    so i am more like a female than a male mentally

    soo much so that women recognize this when they get to know me.

    so my personality gender is like saying "am i left handed or right handed"
    im neither
    i am female dominant in a male body

    it is very complicated
    many people cant deal with that reality
    but the fact they cant deal with that reality
    does not mean it is not the reality

    just look at how much sexual dysfunction violence and domestic abuse there is

    gender reassignment is not the problem


    additionally
    because of the sheer volume & depth of abuse toward sexual orientation & sexual self definition
    it causes serious mental health problems with long term abuse issues
    so those whom are not conformist often inevitably become abused

    an easy way to define the depth of the indentured psychological damage would be to grab a random group of people of mixed ages & genders
    & have them all stand in a room
    then ask them all to completely undress & change into a different set of clothes.

    the very act would be deemed an abusive act to request it be some
    while some others would be half way through before some started to complain
     
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  22. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    From billions of billions of people the ever populated earth, the number of hermaphrodites seems not to have such an impact to remove the bases of biology with respect to two established and well identified sexes in humans.

    You have brought a good point, because this is a case where can have both sexes biological chatracteristics since birth. Take note that you can't call to this status as normal.

    For example, if a person is norn without hsands, such is called birth defect. If someone askd if that is normal, the biology studies will say is not normal, or if from here the family of this person is born without hands, then this is inherited mutation, still is not normal when compared to general population but is normal for the mutation to pass from one member to the descendants.

    I have no knowledge of hermaphrodites having children, do you?

    If so, did the children inherited the same status of hermaphrodite?

    Anyway, when we have cases of hermaphrodites, and they must decide -if they want to- what sex to keep as their identity, they do have a biological justification for such decision. This is because they carry boological charateristics that belong to both sexes, as the example given in a message above, the an athlete had the physical body of a woman but the genes were of a man.

    Here she really can say she is a man inside a woman's body... lol.

    And I will believe her. Sure I will.

    This is because there is evidence, it is not in the mind of the atlete alone.
     
  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    humans are incapable from being both fully functional genders with reproductive organs
    there has only been a very small number with dual functioning organs
    1 of which got themself pregnant apparently
    but the pregnancy was aborted.

    so all humans born with both sexual organs always have surgery to allow them to function in one gender range in the hope they will be capable of breeding or being capable of participating sexually with other people.

    you should know this type of stuff already if your debating the subject

    your tone i find offensive toward transgender & wonder if their is discrimination against LGBTQ behind that

    your sentence reads as if your attempting to set up false facts to assert as your base for reasoning.

    maybe you can provide a different example that is more specifically related & not a massive jump with no reasoning in between

    what is the sub-narrative your running ?
    that hormones do not make a difference to brain function or long term development ?
    or they do ?
    which ?

    i am almost offended but not quite
    & realize my tone is slightly harsh.
    not personal

     
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