"Seperation of Church and state" isn't in the constitution

Discussion in 'History' started by Norsefire, Sep 8, 2008.

  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    It doesn't anywhere say "separation of church and state"

    It says congress shall make no laws for an establishment of religion, but there are probably loopholes around that if you think hard enough. Therefore teaching religion in schools isn't unconstitutional; it isn't establishing a national religion in the same way Denmark established Lutheran Christianity as "official"
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Teaching comparative religion is allowed in public schools, but teaching any particular religion as truth is not.
     
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  5. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Why not? As long as congress doesn't officially establish a state religion, technically we can use religion in government
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They do have a prayer before the congress meets. Allowing the public teaching of any particular religion as truth violates the establishment clause.
     
  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    No it doesn't as long as it isn't an "official" state religion, which it wouldn't be. Furthermore, creating religious laws doesn't establish a particular religion.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That is not the interpretation that the Supreme Court has understood. Establishment is interpreted broadly, not as specifically as you are doing.
     
  10. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Then it's interpretation and subjective. I also really love the fact that people in the Bible Belt, where probably the majority do want the religion taught in schools, can't do so. Isn't this supposed to be a democracy? The people's will. The constitution limits the will of the people.
     
  11. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Nah; they don't deserve that right. They only get the right to kill fetuses.
     
  12. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    What are you trying to say?
     
  13. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    I'm saying; people think it's okay to kill babies, but think it's wrong to pray in school aloud.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actually your right, the australian consitution was based on the US one and there is a similar claus here which says something like "the commonwealth goverment cant form a state religion". however this was never ment to be a seperation between church and state but rather that this power is belongs to the STATES to form an offical religion.

    this was because it was belived that the states would probably adopt the church of england as an offical religion but they didnt take into account the number of irish imigrants who were catholic.

    Of course now the states would never DARE exercise this power because they people wouldnt alow them to
     
  15. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    In the US more people are religious than in Australia so it's more relevant.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    not really, you might be right that there are more religious people but there are also more RELIGIONS. which would they chose?
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    The majority, Christianity
     
  18. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    christanity isnt a religion, its a group of religions
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    The majority demonination in the state
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    so if we break down the percentages (this is just a rough guess because i dont know the exact numbers)

    say 20% agnostic\athiast
    10% muslim
    10% jews
    20% unaffiliated churchs
    11% catholic
    9% anglican
    20% other

    the "majority" is spread in churches which have no affiliation to eachother and are only aplicable to there own membership

    the greatest "majority" would be catholisium but its only 11% of the population which means that 81% of the population OPOSE it
     
  21. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    That's a plurality or something like that. In the US it's more like 75% are Christians.
     
  22. thoughtcontinuum Registered Member

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    well, congress is contradicting itself because we swear on the 'bible' to tell the truth and have 'in God we trust' on all our money and 'one nation under God' said every morning in schools and yet their against teaching anything about God or an 'intelligent designer'. and congress is trying to take off 'in God we trust' of all currency? the court swears in God yet wont put the commandments in every courthouse? whats wrong with this?????
     
  23. maxpayne Registered Member

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    yes i totally believe in separation between religion and state and only use the constitution that what make all Arabian countries suffer now because they put such Duran and this stuff in their regular business then they get backwards day after day
     

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