sciforums political compass 2020

Discussion in 'Politics' started by James R, Feb 27, 2021.

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Where are you on the Political Compass? (Take the test in the opening post before answering.)

Poll closed Mar 27, 2021.
  1. Left Libertarian (bottom left quadrant)

    8 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. Left Authoritarian (top left quadrant)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Right Libertarian (bottom right quadrant)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Right Authoritarian (top right quadrant)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Near the centre (within four squares horizontally and vertically, from the centre)

    3 vote(s)
    25.0%
  6. Near one outer edge of the diagram (within 4 small squares of just one edge, not two).

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  7. Near one corner of the diagram (within four small squares of a corner, horizontally and vertically)

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  8. On one of the black-line axes of the diagram.

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  9. I'm not taking the test and/or not answering the poll. Just show me the results.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Almost everyone in the US would place you there, based on your posts here.
    The test works as a fairly accurate classification of Americans. My guess would be that it works in many other countries, as well. It works too much by social correlation to be reliable across disparate cultures.
    Those are not, for the most part, Left/Right separable issues. The US Christian Church, for example, has significant representation on the extreme Left and Right, as well as all points between.
    Keeping things very simple is prudent - even improves accuracy at this coarse resolution.
    Most of the small to medium business owners and operators in the US - Trump voters generally.
    Most Federal level elected officials fall there, evaluated on their public deeds and words. Obama, say.

    As so often noted here, in dozens of posts over years about one specific issue after another, mainstream America is notably if marginally Left and solidly Libertarian. Its government has been by turns extreme Right and solidly Authoritarian, moderate Right and solidly Authoritarian, since the 1950s. Those even suspected of attempting to change that, with power, have been and are still persecuted - a few of them assassinated.
    I doubt that. As an attempted justification by a cornered Republican, common; as a foundation principle of some kind of coherent political thought? - one doesn't even encounter Freudian slips.
    - - -
    That's been remarked, yep. The Republican third of the US thinks Fascism is Socialist. But that doesn't make the European universally correct - there is no "Left" position on guns, for another example.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    "Liberal" - even more thoroughly vandalized than "libertarian", Stateside - has become a third rail word that communicates almost nothing of reality to an ordinary American. The Compass is prudent to stick with the simple.
    She was a supply sider with power.
    Or check the numbers (minus the rhetoric):
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/12/margaret-thatcher-british-economy-tories-austerity
    https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/274/uk-economy/economic-impact-of-margaret-thatcher/
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/datablog/2013/apr/08/britain-changed-margaret-thatcher-charts

    Somebody seems to have done a lot of harm under Thatcher's watch, similar to what was happening in the US under Supply Side Reagan.
     
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  5. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    But that would be based upon another's analysis of their words and actions. Do you think, were they to personally take the quiz, their gut responses to the propositions would align with their actual convictions--at least, as evidenced by their words and actions.

    I mean, who is actually going to say that "economic globalization" ought to serve trans-national corporations over humanity?

    Still, plenty enough aren't so often prone to inadvertent honesty and are skilled at saying the "right" things to the punters. (I was gonna offer Trump's "I love the poorly educated" as an example here, but it doesn't quite work.)
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Yep.
    Most Republicans, at least before the latest round of rightwing propaganda designed to trash the meaning of "globalization".
    How do we know that? Because they did.
    Political Compass has published analyses of their survey, and updated it from time to time - it was and is designed to deal with exactly that question.
    In what sense are you claiming that "gut responses" and "actual convictions" differ within an ordinary or typical Republican voter?
    Not that many.
    The responses to the "punters" (?) are on record, and have been analyzed statistically. This is not a matter of pure speculation.

    I don't line up with Political Compass, personally - they cut far too much slack for the "bothsides" bs, that omits physical reality and the meanings of words from the arena of political discussion - but they do publish the numbers and sources and reasoning involved.
     
  8. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Here are my results.....
    So.. my answer to the poll is....


    "Near the centre (within four squares horizontally and vertically, from the centre)"
     
  9. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    -6.0 and - 6.82.
     
  10. Overcast Registered Member

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    Given your dislike of the simplicity of the 2-axis compass, have you tried giving the 8values test a try?

    https://8values.github.io/

    Most criticisms of the 2d compass I have seen try to add a 3rd dimension to the compass to add another layer of depth. Usually it is conservatism/tradition VS progressivism.
     
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  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    That looks a lot better, certainly. It seems to try to capture exactly the sorts of things that are left out by the Political Compass one. I've haven't tried it yet but I may do so if I have time.

    As a general comment, it seems to me antediluvian to reduce political views to a simple Left-Right axis, now of all times. What we see in both the US and the UK at the moment is a political realignment that overturns such traditional simplicities.
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    if the political quiz is composed to give answers that do not sell to the ruling political partys, will it still be sold ?

    statistics as a sales product
    versus
    psychology
     
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    The quiz is free.
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ...
    free quizzes are not free like a handful of free cash
    they obtain value when they get answers in the saleable categories to define them a sales product

    Dave may have good intentions
    my issue with the nature of the questions in how they define value of answers to assert a concept of narrative

    examples
    china
    India
    Africa
    Malaysia,
    Philippines
    Indonesia
    while their super rich and upper middle class may share some values
    if you collect all the dirt poor agrarian people from those 5 country's
    you get well over a billion people, maybe 2 billion who live hand to mouth with no medical and no education and no social services
    nothing at all
    most no electricity

    what is that majority proportions life expectancy ?
    55 ? maybe maybe a few lucky ones late 60's

    so they must be having babies when they get to be about 17 years old
    thats 16yos being married and having children

    with a massive child mortality rate

    how are those figures represented ?(how do illiterate hundreds of millions cast their votes?)

    powerful political and business people with billions seeking to maintain power & make more money have vested interests in real data not being used against them.
    some countrys have tenuous holds on social order and those leaderships must control information to prevent civil war and then going backwards very fast in terrible ways

    it is not uncommon for a small extremist orientated political party to hold sway between order and chaos
     
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  15. candy Valued Senior Member

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    You did not have a category for me.
    Please label me fiercely independent.
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The category is derived from your answers to the quiz.
    Where are your answers?
     

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