Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Dinosaur, Jun 13, 2018.
Not my point at all.
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A "scientific" explanation that is patently impossible would, to me, still be fantasy. Otherwise you'd probably call ID science. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!. I.e. dressing something up in the clothes of science doesn't make it science.
It is also the reason why there is the "science fantasy" genre... fantastical elements dressed up in science clothing.
Star Wars might be considered science fantasy (I understand it is how Lucas described it), despite saying that the Force is caused by [insert excuse here], and despite the vast number of technical manuals out there.
I would put the Star Trek transporters within the science fantasy category.
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Then perhaps, rather than just stating that it's not your point, you'd care to clarify what your point actually is?
Yesterday's "impossible" is today's mundane. Yesterday's fantasy is today's fact.
If that's correct when will my playmate of the month turn up?
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When time machines and transporters are invented.
She did a few days ago! You weren't home. Sorry, I've been meaning to tell you.
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I'm inclined to agree with you.
Not sure about that. It might be possible to steer the exit of a wormhole around. Assuming they can be created in the first place.
Depends on your view on time. The picture of spacetime that appears in general relativity is essentially a static one, not one in which there is any flow of time from past to future. The picture is not inconsistent with the idea that past and future both exist, and that there's nothing particularly special about "now".
In general, it seems that it will be difficult - perhaps impossible - to mess with time without also messing with space.
I think star trek transporter technology simply beams down the energy. They cannot teleport to underground areas, the beam must not be blocked by matter.
The tech works by simply an advanced form of 3d printing, creating a "replicant body" down to the molecule.
This is why Dr. Bones "refused" to ever enter a transporter, since it functions by destroying the original body, and recreating it at a later time.
It is an open debate as to whether consciousness will reappear in the new body or not.
you are slightly confused, they CAN beam through matter, walls, floors, roofs etc...
however, there is 'some' things they cant beam through.
deep underground they can not beam to without using amplifiers and isolation beacons to resonate & repeat the signal strength.
technicaly it would be a re-organiser that creates the beaming thing back into its buffered self and then amplifys the signal to then send again.
additionally being able to project a form of black hole toward the beam direction which would funnel the beam into the reciever would also be a possibility.
mostly they cant beam through sheilds unles they can match the shield harmonics to sustain the variant frequency long enough to pass through it without it needing modulation past a certain point.
complex field harmonic modulation would need quantum computers.
quantum computers are in infant stage currently, once they get to be late teenage development they wont be able to process such complex things(*)
as for actual real word matter tranfer.
it has already been theoretically completed.
but... anything other than a pure element is currently outside known science.
?how can a computer do maths make a difference to real world scientific discovery?
here is a simplistic example to give readers an idea of what is currently possible yet slightly out of reach currently.
a CT(generic name) scanner can scan a person
then imagine the size type and cost of a computer that can then project the entire human body being scanned into a holographic image built on a cellular level.
that is currently possible with current technology, but it is on the cutting edge of cost and technalogical ability knowing that if it were built today, it would be needing to be upgraded tomorrow(almost) as technology advances.
you could record your entire body scan like a video.
it would probably need a Hard Drive storage device the size of a car and probably cost 1.5 million to do per patient on a private investment level funding price.
you would then need to spend thousands per year to save the data of the body scan.
then when you went for your next check up 1 year or 6 months later,
you would spend another 1.5 million to have a nother full body scan and then save that data, on to another car sized storage device. and so on and so on.
If they couldn't beam through solid matter there would be no ship-to-ship transporting.
Why distinguish between SciFi and Science Fantasy? Is there a meaning distinction between fiction and fantasy? It seems to come down to what you think might be possible and what you think isn't possible but that's subjective enough to render the distinction useless.
I know it when I see it. Though I'm not always sure what "it" is.
I can't always be sure but I'm pretty sure star wars is science fantasy and star trek is science fiction. It's important for us humans to categorize things so we can compare their attributes
Sometimes. For some things.
But there are countless more the things that were yesterday's fantasy and are today's debunked.
Agree. Technobabble and handwavium do not science make.
Adding an Atomic Heisenberg Felgarcarb Stargate Receiver at the other end does not change that one whit.
Shatner's acting ability was fictional.
Disregarding Shatner's acting ability, or lack thereof, star trek has always attempted to explain their concepts with real life science that were being explored at the time they were being filmed, although it does have fantasy elements in it, it is mostly forgivable in my point of view. Star wars on the other hand uses science mostly as a convenient vehicle for story telling, and does not appear to have any real interest in actual advancement of science. In star wars literally thousands years pass and their technological level stays exactly the same.
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