SciFi versus fantasy

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Dinosaur, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Not my point at all.
     
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  3. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    A "scientific" explanation that is patently impossible would, to me, still be fantasy. Otherwise you'd probably call ID science.

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    . I.e. dressing something up in the clothes of science doesn't make it science.
    It is also the reason why there is the "science fantasy" genre... fantastical elements dressed up in science clothing.
    Star Wars might be considered science fantasy (I understand it is how Lucas described it), despite saying that the Force is caused by [insert excuse here], and despite the vast number of technical manuals out there.

    I would put the Star Trek transporters within the science fantasy category.
     
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  5. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Then perhaps, rather than just stating that it's not your point, you'd care to clarify what your point actually is?
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Yesterday's "impossible" is today's mundane. Yesterday's fantasy is today's fact.
     
  8. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    If that's correct when will my playmate of the month turn up?

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  9. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    ♫When you're 93..♫
     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    When time machines and transporters are invented.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    She did a few days ago! You weren't home. Sorry, I've been meaning to tell you.
     
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    subjective opinion of the unknown
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I'm inclined to agree with you.

    Not sure about that. It might be possible to steer the exit of a wormhole around. Assuming they can be created in the first place.

    Depends on your view on time. The picture of spacetime that appears in general relativity is essentially a static one, not one in which there is any flow of time from past to future. The picture is not inconsistent with the idea that past and future both exist, and that there's nothing particularly special about "now".

    In general, it seems that it will be difficult - perhaps impossible - to mess with time without also messing with space.
     
  14. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    I think star trek transporter technology simply beams down the energy. They cannot teleport to underground areas, the beam must not be blocked by matter.

    The tech works by simply an advanced form of 3d printing, creating a "replicant body" down to the molecule.
    This is why Dr. Bones "refused" to ever enter a transporter, since it functions by destroying the original body, and recreating it at a later time.

    It is an open debate as to whether consciousness will reappear in the new body or not.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you are slightly confused, they CAN beam through matter, walls, floors, roofs etc...

    however, there is 'some' things they cant beam through.
    deep underground they can not beam to without using amplifiers and isolation beacons to resonate & repeat the signal strength.

    technicaly it would be a re-organiser that creates the beaming thing back into its buffered self and then amplifys the signal to then send again.
    additionally being able to project a form of black hole toward the beam direction which would funnel the beam into the reciever would also be a possibility.

    mostly they cant beam through sheilds unles they can match the shield harmonics to sustain the variant frequency long enough to pass through it without it needing modulation past a certain point.

    complex field harmonic modulation would need quantum computers.

    quantum computers are in infant stage currently, once they get to be late teenage development they wont be able to process such complex things(*)
    *etc...

    as for actual real word matter tranfer.
    it has already been theoretically completed.
    but... anything other than a pure element is currently outside known science.

    ?how can a computer do maths make a difference to real world scientific discovery?

    here is a simplistic example to give readers an idea of what is currently possible yet slightly out of reach currently.

    a CT(generic name) scanner can scan a person
    then imagine the size type and cost of a computer that can then project the entire human body being scanned into a holographic image built on a cellular level.

    that is currently possible with current technology, but it is on the cutting edge of cost and technalogical ability knowing that if it were built today, it would be needing to be upgraded tomorrow(almost) as technology advances.
    you could record your entire body scan like a video.
    it would probably need a Hard Drive storage device the size of a car and probably cost 1.5 million to do per patient on a private investment level funding price.
    you would then need to spend thousands per year to save the data of the body scan.
    then when you went for your next check up 1 year or 6 months later,
    you would spend another 1.5 million to have a nother full body scan and then save that data, on to another car sized storage device. and so on and so on.
     
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  16. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    If they couldn't beam through solid matter there would be no ship-to-ship transporting.
     
  17. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Why distinguish between SciFi and Science Fantasy? Is there a meaning distinction between fiction and fantasy? It seems to come down to what you think might be possible and what you think isn't possible but that's subjective enough to render the distinction useless.
     
  18. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I know it when I see it. Though I'm not always sure what "it" is.
     
  19. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    I can't always be sure but I'm pretty sure star wars is science fantasy and star trek is science fiction. It's important for us humans to categorize things so we can compare their attributes
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes. For some things.

    But there are countless more the things that were yesterday's fantasy and are today's debunked.
     
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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Agree. Technobabble and handwavium do not science make.

    Adding an Atomic Heisenberg Felgarcarb Stargate Receiver at the other end does not change that one whit.
     
  22. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Shatner's acting ability was fictional.
     
  23. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    Disregarding Shatner's acting ability, or lack thereof, star trek has always attempted to explain their concepts with real life science that were being explored at the time they were being filmed, although it does have fantasy elements in it, it is mostly forgivable in my point of view. Star wars on the other hand uses science mostly as a convenient vehicle for story telling, and does not appear to have any real interest in actual advancement of science. In star wars literally thousands years pass and their technological level stays exactly the same.
     

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