Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study

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  1. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Guilty as charged. I guess. Read my post a few posts back. (#65)
     
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  3. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    BenTheMan, you claim to be an actual physicist. What makes you qualified to develop an independent stance from the majority of climate scientists?
     
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  5. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I never claimed that I disbelieved the climate scientists. I just pointed out that there were those who took issue with the current concensus. (To tell you the truth, I do believe most of the science, but disagree with the scare tactics that the environmentalists are using to force their agenda on us. Such tactics have never worked in the past, and will never work in the future.)

    I also pointed out that China has no interest in cutting its carbon emissions, and will see any attempt to do so as an infringement on their right to develop in the pursuit of world power status. In fact, cutting emissions in the West may lead to ever increasing emissions in China, as western businesses may find the climate for business in China much more favorable. If you disagree with this, then you are just foolish. China doesn't care about the environment, just like they don't care about the fact that the Sudanese are killing their own citizens---they're still willing to give the president of that country millions of dollars to build a new palace, and dump tons of money into the infrastructure via oil imports, all while turning a blind eye to human rights abuses.

    And if I DID have an opposing viewpoint, I would be as qualified as anyone who wanted to read the papers to form such an opinion.

    Pleae take no offense to these comments, but one could also ask what qualified you to believe the climatologists? Is it just because most of them are running around shouting "global warming"? Is it because that is the politically correct opinion? Is it because you and most of your liberal friends get together in coffee houses on Friday nights and talk about the genius of Al Gore? (Note the sarcasm!)
     
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  7. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    The UN report says that it's manmade greenhouse which is causing it, but they say that we can't stop it anyway, so actually, they are admitting it's not manmade without out literally having to say so, nice dodge.
     
  8. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    No, they didn't.
     
  9. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think A implies B.
     
  10. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    If cutting back emissions wouldn't help, then it has no bearing.
     
  11. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    Are comments of this nature a subconscious drive to validate the eschatology of the 'Judgement Day'?

    How many of the scientists who doubt the role of humans in global warming are unconscious eschatologists?
     
  12. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    How would this slight global warming affect Judgment Day?
     
  13. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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  14. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Judgment Day is after the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ on Earth.
     
  15. Satyr Banned Banned

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    Who told you that?
     
  16. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps its the longest day? And if global warming continues unabated we will see the longest summer. then the longest winter....then when all the planet is cleansed of the species that is destroying it...spring will blossom again.
     
  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, that's a nice thought for the Earth, but unfortunately I'm sure that a few humans will survive .....and start polluting and destroying the planet all over again.

    Baron Max
     
  18. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    Darn it - you're always so pragmatic Baron...again my utopian naivism is subjugated.
    This was the problem with the Ark as I always point out to the Jehovah Witnesses when they call to make attempts at conversion....if the flood came to cleanse the world of evil then it must have sneaked back into the Ark...unless it spontaneously created itself of course.

    Who is building the 'ark' for this flood? What technologies are they using? And are we paying for it?

    The 'comedian' Ben Elton raised this issue in his book 'Stark'...in fact quite percipient regarding the OP.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    It did ....there were humans on board!

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    If you can find it, check out a comedy recording by Bill Cosby on Noah and the Great Flood. You'll laugh your butt off. If memory serves me, it was recorded sometime in the early 70's. On the same album is his version of "Custer's Last Stand", which is equally humorous.

    Baron Max
     
  20. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    The nature of the hydrologic cycle dictates that warmer oceans were the cause of the Ice Age, and warmer by heating from below, not atmospheric, as atmospheric would be cooled back down by the great cloud-cover caused by the warmer ocean water.

    C'mon Baron, I'm expecting you to admit to getting this. (Many of the rest do, but won't admit it.)
     
  21. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Baron:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zyc1315KawQ
     
  22. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    I think Cosby's Noah's Ark came out in the early 60's 'cause I was in a skit in about 5th grade were we did his script in the talent show (I'm 54, not 97 or 98).

    The keyboard player in our band about two years later was the ringleader for the skit, he was down with Cosby, Hendrix, the Stones, Johny Carson, the Yardbirds, Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Sam and Dave, Eric Clapton, the whole bit. Pat Murray is his name, he plays jazz now in Tulsa.
     
  23. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    Wow - amazing to play round guys like that...Bob Dylan's memoirs were evocative of that period. I met Spencer Davies once - helluva nice bloke...I didn't know who he was...we were backstage at a small club and some music started, he stood up and shook my hand and said 'My names Spence' and walked onto the stage and sang 'Gimme Some Lovin'.

    Gone a bit off saving the planet though haven't we IAC? Do you think this is a subconscious eschatological impulse?
     

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