Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by OilIsMastery, Aug 7, 2008.
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Not the amounts a certain babbling moron thinks there are, at least.
Your oily rag needs adjusting. I have other trolls to feed, too.
Evidence of Multiple Personalities:
So only by some definitions does 'crust' include 'atmosphere'.
I think it's plain for all to see that you're simply being dishonest again.
This post represents nothign more then an ad-hominem attack.
More to the point, it does not prove what the poster wishes to imply.
So which is it? Is the atmosphere a part of the crust on Monday but not on Tuesday?
You caught me.
I made a typo.
I was in such a hurry I skipped a word.
(In case you can't figure it out, the missing word is 'not' and belongs in the second sentence).
Technically, your post is a fallacy, it's an ad-hominem attack, and you're (technically) misrepresenting it.
Quite clearly, Trippy has explained to you that the earth's crust is the solid material that we walk around on, while the atmosphere is the air above the crust. From your earlier posts, it appears you initially had trouble grasping that simple fact.
Now that you have been corrected, I strongly suggest that you stop misrepresenting Trippy's statements.
Trippy has stated that oxygen does not exist in its free molecular form (O2) in the crust. For the record, please state whether you agree with this statement or not.
I'm still not sure what he believes. How is quoting him misrepresenting him?
I know...LOL. It's hilarious.
He also said:
I do not and I don't know anyone besides the insane cultists in this thread that believe that. Oxygen is the most abundant element in the earth's crust. If there were no O2 in the crust it would be impossible to breathe.
It is quite clear to everyone that Trippy's use of the word 'crust' refers to the solid material we walk on (as James says), not including the atmosphere.
You have had that explained to you. Yes, fair enough, there were some crossed wires but they have been clarified.
There is insufficient O2 in the ground (which 'crust' refers to in Trippy's posts) to support life. Oxygen is one of, if not the, most abundant elements in the ground but none of it is available for life to use as you and I use free oxygen in the air. You and I cannot breath carbonate compounds, despite them forming trillions of tons of the ground. Can you breath chalk?
And I ask you again, do you know what 'oxidation' means to a chemist? It doesn't mean just "Something bonds with oxygen". Oxygen removes electrons from things, because it needs 2 more electrons to form a stable electron configuration. That is 'oxidation'. So anything which is electron deficient will act as an oxidizer. Chlorine, oxygen, fluorine, nitrogen (when it can be made to react). They are all oxidising agents. Infact, Fluorine is pretty much the most powerful oxidizing agent there is because it's staggeringly reactive. Oxygen can exist as free O2 in our atmosphere. Fluorine cannot because it instantly oxidizes with other things when it's produced.
Ah! So you have had a basic misunderstanding with Trippy. You have been thinking of the "crust" as including the ocean and atmosphere as well as the ground on which we walk, whereas Trippy has been referring to the crust as excluding the oceans and atmosphere.
I'm glad I've helped you to overcome your misconception.
Let us take it that you wish to use the term "crust" to include the atmosphere from now on, then. That way, we'll avoid further confusing you.
So, proceed, gentlemen.
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LOL. It just keeps getting better.
And you're saying none of those things exist in the crust?
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Because you're quoting me out of context.
I (as does every other chemist) draw the distinction between Oxygen, and elemental free oxygen.
Your argument is a strawman fallacy, and a falsehood.
At no time have I disputed that Oxygen is the most abundant element in the crust (as defined by the sources that I have quoted).
What I have disputed is your assertion that free elemental oxygen exists in the crust (as defined by the sources I cited) beyond localized sources involving water.
I strongly suggest that you stop this dishonesty, and actually engage in some serious discussion.
Do you have any arguments not based on logical fallacies, total falsehoods, or factually incorrect articles?
Straw man fallacy.
At no point have I debated the existence of free elemental Oxygen in the atmosphere.
You give him more credit then I'm willing to.
I was under the distinct impression that I had made it explicitly clear what I was referring to.
So if you were trapped in a coalmine, like those miners that were , the size of any compartment you got left in wouldn't matter in the least, since there's heaps of O2 coming out of the ground? No possibility of suffocation, plenty of fresh air to breathe?
That's pretty out-there, I wonder why cavers and miners run out of oxygen like they do, and need breathing tanks (in case they get trapped somehow)?
Are you telling me you think there's free oxygen gas in the ground?
Not in free form, they are all locked up in things like carbonates, flurides, chlorides and nitrates (and other nitrogen compounds).
LOL. So tell us Mr. Chemist, what is the difference between free oxygen and O2?
OK I guess we're all happy then.
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