Scientific proof of god's existence

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  1. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    This is a science forum. Although there is no such thing as scientific proof of God's existence, it has been established in this thread that we are looking for something that is as close as possible to that. A simple statement of belief therefore does not qualify.
     
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  3. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    I just gave you a mathematical formula for an answer lol what more do you want i kept it totaly non scripture related for the very reason of it being in the science section. even though this is a philosophical question that any scientist will tell you will not be answered by observational research and or study.

    For one to observe and find proofs of his physical existence you will have to leave this universe and go up to his throne and say can I take a picture. (Say cheese)

    How was it a statement of beliefs?, its mathematics how more scientific could I have got I dont understand what type of answer you would want if mathematics and philosophy are not good enough.
     
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  5. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Now that almost made since. Big Wow! Free will is a hoax. WE live in a clock work universe, and there is a ghost in the machine of the clock works. You can call it God or what ever , but it is there alive and kicking. . There are many of us that see the effect of the shadow as it passes by our lives. A parallel information guide as a precursor to the here and now. A type of hypnotic suggestion as a prelude to your decision making. Gullible humans can't see it and only perceive them selves as free from the phenomena.
     
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  7. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    I am on the threshold of discovery on this matter. It is difficult and the language is foreign to conventional thought. Me and my Buddies have observed the phenomena of a type of ghost wind and have documented it's effect on reality. The results blew or frigging minds. Shut up naysayers you have no idea what we have been up to. and your disbelief ways will be going by by as the truth comes into the light. You can just go ahead and be a nonbeliever for it don't matter for the phenomena don't need you to be true. Yeah the tree makes noise with out you being there.
     
  8. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    Fair enough. I respect your restraint.

    When I pointed out that the idea that your formula represented could only serve to demonstrate that something has always existed, you replied with:

    The above is the statement of belief that I am referring to. It doesn't follow that because something existed that it must be God. There are several far more scientific ideas about where the universe may have come from, or what greater physical reality it might exist within.
     
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    Make a thread about this please so i can discuss it without getting a warning because i would like to share some knwoledge with you brother. see some mods like to give me warnings very fast for speaking about god like i do, so i must keep discussion on topic or i will get warnings and all sorts of other things.

    Peace be with you.
     
  10. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    You make me laugh Me-Ki-Gal, and I don't mean to sound condescending or patronizing when I say that. I really just mean that you're amusing.
     
  11. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Thank you for the respect i appreciate it,


    I answered with that yes, The name can be Most high, God, Allah, Creator, Eternal Entity/Energy. Think about it we have the entire universe which was created and we through study shown that it was formed out of a singularity of sorts, so we know all of this energy/mass/space came from a starting point. Now this is where time no longer exists and the laws dont apply.

    Here is Also where the chicken and the egg games stop, what made that, then what made that etc etc never ending. Now this is where you need to use logic and go paradox hunting. The paradox stops when you understand that what ever created this universe is eternal and was always there without time.

    This entity obviously has a vast understanding of mathematics and the ability to will things into existence from his eternal source. I really would love to elaborate but it would just sound to scripture related and resemble poetic romantisizing, because in honesty the universe is better explained through art and poetic philosophy because scientific studies never capture the true beauty of existence and the most highs ability.

    Brother I seriously tell you truly god created everything and he is an artist, look at all of the precise craftsmanship and skill of the mechanics of the universe and its laws, it is 10 million (+ sideways 8) times more intrinsic and amazingly genius than anything man will ever dream of making, can you not see the absolute skill involved in producing something like the universe? i cant even give you all the statistics off the top of my head for how perfect everything is made to fit together to allow life here on earth the numbers are too huge. This alone should prove with logic that this is the work of a truly amazing and consciously, artisticaly aware entity.


    peace.
     
  12. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Remember that what your eyes have seen is not what another has witnessed, you cannot force people or teach people your experiences they are individualy unique and will never be replicated, but of maybe more importance you must not get annoyed even slightly when another will not listen to your ways, remember everybody treads their own path that is laid out before them.

    I have personaly witnessed the most high but i also have learned that such an experience cannot be passed on and given to another person, they have to go through it to see the light. Only the most high can dish out enlightenment on who he wills, you and I are not god we cannot give faith to people unless we are being inspired with prophecy or messege.


    peace.
     
  13. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    If we could harvest the bullsh!t that is deposited when evidence is not required (that is : in all religions) agriculture would boom.
     
  14. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Whats Religion got to do with God?.


    Peace.
     
  15. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    EFC

    What comes out of your posts, if harvested, would fertilise the fields of ten impoverished nations.
     
  16. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Feel free to challenge anything I have stated and we can discuss it in further details.


    Peace be with you.
     
  17. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes - the process by which DNA is replicated when cells divide is not 100% perfect or accurate and small errors in transcription can appear. This is where most mutations come from.

    the process is outlined quite simply and accurately on the wiki page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_replication

    the problem with that statement is that DNA isnt complex - its a very simple macromolecule - the information it contains can be complex, but of course the notion of a simple structure gradually containing more information over time through the mechanism of natural selection, is not one that the theory of evolution has ever had a problem with
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Actually it goes like this:

    0=(1)+(-1)

    Math does include negative numbers.
     
  19. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    The Mind (God) who supposedly made All can indeed be refuted, even a Deity, by the only way possible for that of invisibles, that of self-contradiction, for this Guy who does planning and creation is still a system, and thus not fundamental at all, since something had to come before Him, which He would therefore be dependent on for His existence. If the notion of Him being fundamental and making everything is removed, then all one has is a smart life form (alien), not a God.

    All this still holds for a Theity, plus that there then can be yet another disproof, for He is supposed to be everywhere, but is found nowhere. Only the natural is found, all operating just the same as if there was nothing super, extra, or beyond.

    In other cases where evidence is supplied, such as that of the Bible, there can then be a triple refutation, for the Bible has been shown to be wrong but for some ancient traditions of tribes.

    There are also claims for Gods-who-are-not-minds, such as QM and its pair production basis or the superposition state, math, a zero-balance equation, or just plain old stuff having been around forever. These mindless states are not God.

    Some believers have appropriated quantum mechanics to claim a more holistic picture of nature. However, the standard model of particles and fields developed in the 1970s is fully reductionist. This model has agreed with all the data. Reductionism isn't defeated just by the fact that it can't derive everything that happens, such as predicting the stock market.
     
  20. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    This may have some potential, as per no God, as a future disproof, as the universe is electrically neutral, slightly hinting that a necessary zero-balance could be the reason for the conservation laws, and more.

    After all, there is nothing just sitting around to make stuff of, plus, that, if it was around forever, then what the why of its particular form nature, size, charge, mass, location, and more.

    Thus, instead of God being Everything, Totality would essentially be quite the opposite—a distribution of nothing, although only in the grand overview, for it is likely that the simplest state—nothing—cannot be or stay as such, thus, then, perhaps the happenings like the quantum fluctuation of 'something' coming in and out of existence, as Lawrence Krauss the scientist likes to say, in just that kind of way.
     
  21. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    A candidate for yet another a God disproof is that the basis of All must have been forever, else it was not the basis of All; thus, there was no creation and no Creator. "Nothing for a Creator to do," as Carl Sagan said.
     
  22. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Quite so, SciWriter. Welcome to Sciforums!
     
  23. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks, Spider, and it seems like a happening place with a huge amount of members.

    We can also get into, perhaps somewhere else, why certain human mammals are prone to believe and claim the 'known', via faith, which is, ironically, but a belief in the unknown, as the word is even defined (but few do this substitution, thus calling faith a 'reason'). And then to preach it as truth and fact! It hardly even qualifies as a 'notion', much less a theory. All but a house of cards, with its umpteen layers added on out of nowhere as well.
     
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