Scientific Mysticism

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  1. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    You know what I like about you chagur? You're a moron.

    See, morons are easy to correct.


    You quoted Xev's comment on seeding clouds AND creating water. Then you said she was ridiculous.

    So I backed up one of the statements.
     
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    James R,

    The author taks about it explicitly...

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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Truthseeker,

    I asked for quotes, not your repeated statements about what the author says.
     
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  7. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have the book here...
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Why does that not surprise me?
     
  9. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler ...

    "We have seen that funding of the science of weather modification
    underwent a period of rapid rise, followed by an abrupt crash. One
    of the leading causes of that crash, we believe, is that the program
    was oversold. The claims that only a few more years of research and
    development will lead to a scientifically-proven technology that will
    contribute substantially to water management and severe weather
    abatement, were either great exaggerations, or just false. This is largely
    because we greatly underestimated the complexity of the scientific
    and technological problems we were (and still are) faced with.
    "

    If you care to read more regarding the topic, check out:

    http://rams.atmos.colostate.edu/gkss.html

    Please don't go out of your way to prove that your ignorance is at least
    equal to Zev's.

    Take care

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  10. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    First of all, the name is Xev.
    Second of all, she claimed we tried seeding clouds but it was ineffective and inefficient.
    If you read that site, you would note that we DID try seeding clouds.
    Of course, you're not one to take your own advise, are you?
     
  11. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler ...

    Oh horrors! A typo!

    Tell you what: I'll try to avoid any future typos if you promise to learn
    how to read.

    "We do, and we 'seed clouds'. However, the process is most inefficient and expensive."

    was Xev's statement. Better have the prescription of your 'rose colored
    glasses' checked. And while you're at it, you might want to check if 'her'
    balls are limited to 'her' attitude.

    Take care

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    Edit: Damn, I did it again ... But I corrected it, Tyler.
     
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    James R,

    I will give another example that is not in that book...

    Brane Theory

    Two Universes colliding with each other... Hummm.... seems mysticism to me...

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    Do you have evidence?????

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  14. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    So what's your point? You questioned her statements on seeding clouds and creating water. I backed up one of them. Are you denying that we have attempted seeding clouds? I don't get what you're saying?
     
  15. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler ...

    As a refresher:

    Jan's idiotic question:
    "If water is just a simple chemical, then why do we have
    drought problems, why don’t we make water??"

    Xev's ridiculous reply:
    "We do, and we 'seed clouds'. However, the process is
    most inefficient and expensive."

    Is Xev telling Jan that we make water to solve drought problems?

    Or, is she telling Jan that we seed clouds to solve the problem?

    (Neither would be correct.)

    If she is telling Jan that we seed clouds to 'make water' she is ignorant
    of what the cloud seeding experiments were all about.

    And, which is 'most inefficient and expensive' ... solving the drought
    problem or seeding the clouds?

    If she is referring to the latter, she is ignorant of the fact that cloud
    seeding is relatively inexpensive (yes, it is most inefficient - I'll grant
    her that) but if she's referring to the former, she's right on both counts.

    Problem is, this ancient moron has no idea which she is referring too,
    let alone what she is trying to say.

    Would you care to explain, oh brilliant youth?

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  16. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "We do, and we 'seed clouds'. However, the process is most inefficient and expensive.

    I have made water as the byproduct of a chemical reaction."




    "Is Xev telling Jan that we make water to solve drought problems?"

    If she is, then yes she is wrong. But I did not gather that. My interputation of her post meerly looked at the 'cloud seeding'.




    "Or, is she telling Jan that we seed clouds to solve the problem?"

    Yup, she says we try. Well, we tried at least. Like she says, it is inefficient. Obviously, the reason we don't do it.




    "Problem is, this ancient moron has no idea which she is referring too,
    let alone what she is trying to say.

    Would you care to explain, oh brilliant youth?"

    Jan says we can't make water. Xev points out that we can create water, as she has done it by byproduct of an experiemtn. I believe it was Adam who also pointed this out. Then she points out that we have tried the drought-solving thingy, but it is inefficient (though the expensive part is wrong, yes).

    I didn't find it too difficult to understand.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Truthseeker,

    Ok. If you'd like to discuss whether brane theory is mystical, then perhaps you can provide a reference as to where it discusses colliding universes.

    BTW, by "brane theory" do you mean M-theory?
     
  18. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler ...

    I suggest that you read Jan's question once again.

    As far as I can see with these weak old eyes, she doesn't state that
    water can't be made ... But rather, asks "why don’t we make water??"

    A bit of a difference, wouldn't you say?

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  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Tyler. My apologies for being away...

    Chagur:
    Let's review:
    H202 is used to bleach hair - so as to become blonde.
    Hence your comment.
    Now, your comment was flip, no?

    So, where did I make a mistake?

    Your lack of the skill as it pertains to women explains a lot. How long has it been, Chaggie?

    I am a woman in every sense of the word - then again, I doubt that you have any comprehension of what a 'woman' is.

    (Note: A 'woman' is what usually hits Chaggie or runs away when he offers 'her' a drink)

    That was tried. The process was too inefficiant to work. So saith my encyclopaedia.

    I told Jan that we tried, and that the process "was most inefficiant and expensive" - in other words, it has been tried, but was too expensive to provide a real solution.

    I never claimed that cloud seeding was a actual solution to drought - I claimed the exact opposite. Tyler, (who, you may note, is a man - a man would be the opposite of what you are, Chaggie) was nice enough to back me up.


    P.S: Tyler, there is of course one way to resolve all disputes as to my gender....

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  20. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I pointed something out?! Bloody hell, I need to be more careful...

    I don't recall ever saying anything about creating water in an experiment. I know in high school I did some things that left water in the tube and such, but I'm not sure I've mentioned such previously. Must have been someone else.
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    JamesR,

    By "brane theory" I mean two universes colliding... Of course, it's related to M-Theory, Superstrings,...

    The "Mysticism" here is: our universe, when it was cold and inhabited, collided with a parallel universe which heated our universe creating all those things we see (and don't see...)...
    Ok... that's explain many things... but that is NO evidence... and scientists say that there might be impossible to get any evidence as we are... stuck... in our universe, we can't detect other universes if they exist...

    Then... isn't that mysticism...?

    Remembering...

    "Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without evidence or proof, either apart from or against the evidence of one's sense and one's reason. Reason is the perception of reality, and rests on a single axiom: the Law of Identity."

    Ayn Rand

    ...

    Love,
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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Truthseeker,

    <i>our universe, when it was cold and inhabited, collided with a parallel universe which heated our universe creating all those things we see (and don't see...)... </i>

    That theory is news to me. Can you please provide a link to where I can read more about it? (Preferably to a scientific source.)

    <i>...and scientists say that there might be impossible to get any evidence as we are... stuck... in our universe, we can't detect other universes if they exist...

    Then... isn't that mysticism...?</i>

    Only if said scientifists purport to believe in the theory. Who's accepting this particular allegation without evidence?
     
  23. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "I suggest that you read Jan's question once again.

    As far as I can see with these weak old eyes, she doesn't state that
    water can't be made ... But rather, asks "why don’t we make water??"

    A bit of a difference, wouldn't you say?"

    Were we not discussing Xev's comments? Now we change to Jan's question?

    You see, Chagur, we had already given Jan the answer to her question numerous times. I take it you believe in science? So then you would know that water is not an element? But that hydrogen and oxygen make it up? Read the whole conversation and you'll get the idea that we had little place to go in trying to debate Jan, as she doesn't believe in science or logic.


    Oh, and sorry Adam.




    Oh......and yes please xev!
     

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