Science Disproves Evolution

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  1. Pahu Banned Banned

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    Bounded Variations

    Not only do Mendel’s laws give a theoretical explanation for why variations are limited, broad experimental verification also exists (a). For example, if evolution happened, organisms (such as bacteria) that quickly produce the most offspring should have the most variations and mutations. Natural selection would then select the more favorable changes, allowing organisms with those traits to survive, reproduce, and pass on their beneficial genes. Therefore, organisms that have allegedly evolved the most should have short reproduction cycles and many offspring. We see the opposite. In general, more complex organisms, such as humans, have fewer offspring and longer reproduction cycles (b). Again, variations within existing organisms appear to be bounded.

    Organisms that occupy the most diverse environments in the greatest numbers for the longest times should also, according to macroevolution, have the greatest potential for evolving new features and species. Microbes falsify this prediction as well. Their numbers per species are astronomical, and they are dispersed throughout almost all the world’s environments. Nevertheless, the number of microbial species is relatively few (c). New features apparently don’t evolve.

    a. “...the discovery of the Danish scientist W. L. Johannsen that the more or less constant somatic variations upon which Darwin and Wallace had placed their emphasis in species change cannot be selectively pushed beyond a certain point, that such variability does not contain the secret of ‘indefinite departure.’ ” Loren Eiseley, Darwin’s Century (Garden City, New York: Doubleday & Co., Inc., 1958), p. 227.

    b. “The awesome morphological complexity of organisms such as vertebrates that have far fewer individuals on which selection can act therefore remains somewhat puzzling (for me at least), despite the geological time scales available...” Peter R. Sheldon, “Complexity Still Running,” Nature, Vol. 350, 14 March 1991, p. 104.

    c. Bland J. Finlay, “Global Dispersal of Free-Living Microbial Eukaryote Species,” Science, Vol. 296, 10 May 2002, pp. 1061–1063.

    [From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
     
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  3. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean "evolved the most"?
     
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    Walt Brown is a young earth creationist, in other words, an idiot.
     
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    This person is a known spammer.
     
  8. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Microbacterial life is some of the most diverse on the planet. They have the most diverse chemical mechanisms, and live in the most diverse climates (basically every environment, even deep underground). They also are able to quickly adapt to new environments or environmental factors, for example the rise of anti-bacterial resistant strains of bacteria in hospitals.

    One limiting factor on diversity is sex. Sexual mixing of genes tends to keep a species a coherent whole.
     
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    Agreed.

    Nope. The ones that produce the most offspring IN THE LONG RUN win. If an organism ordinarily has 20 offspring who all starve, they will go extinct. If an organism can have 3 offspring who all live they will quickly take over an ecological niche.

    And are incredibly diverse and numerous, and have an amazing variety of features. Thus proving the evolutionary drive to fill niches.

    What would you call:

    -antibiotic resistance
    -flagella
    -golgi bodies
    -heat stress protein ribosomes

    All complex structures, new features evolved to make those organisms better adapted for their environments.

    And of course other single celled organisms evolved along a different path. One such organism made the post that started this thread!
     
  10. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, so humans are the most evolved? This is really something. Biologist certainly do not think this is true, perhaps you could write a paper (that makes some logical sense) and enlighten us.

    Relatively few microbe species? Really? Well, lets look at just bacteria, it is estimated that there are Billions of species. One study found 20,000 species of bacteria in 1 liter of seawater.


    When it comes to evolution, as my dad use to say, "you don't have sense enough to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel".

    This the second thread you titled "Science Disproves Evolution".

    That is '2 swings and 2 misses'.

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  11. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Well, we might not be the most evolved, but we are the best evolved (in my view, but there are certainly alot of ass----- out there working to disprove that view by their behavior).
     
  12. Hesperado Don't immanentize the eschaton Registered Senior Member

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    "incredibly diverse and numerous" and "amazing variety" galore -- but the point is whether they evince sufficient speciation proportionate to their supposedly optimal conditions for such as implied by Evolution Theory.

    Indeed, their "incredibly diverse and numerous" and "amazing variety" makes their relative sparsity of speciation that much odder -- for those are precisely the conditions that according to Evolution Theory are optimally conducive to speciation.

    That was one of the main points of the OP.
     
  13. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you think your species is the best evolved. I think in the long run we will not be the 'best evolved', but who knows?
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think there's any such thing as "most evolved" or "best evolved." We don't have the most complex DNA, or most complex digestive system or best circulatory system. We haven't even finished evolving feet (they're basically malformed hands at this point.) We just did a good job at one (small) part of evolution, the development of intelligence.
     
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  16. Pahu Banned Banned

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    I suppose that means evolved more than, almost all, the greatest part/number, the majority, the bulk, the preponderance.
     
  17. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    You suppose? Do you not understand your own post?

    Are you trying to suggest that there is such a concept in nature as more "highly evolved"? Or just which life forms have gone through the largest number of changes?
     
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