I've told you before, one of the two things you specifically complained about was an illustration of one set of results. An example. This is why I keep saying you haven't understood the paper. So then you admit that I and the paper were correct, because that was why I cited the paper in the first place remember? You need to be clearer here. Also, did you ever stop and woner why I gave you one of the original treatments of the problem rather than any of the other options I had avail?available to me? Good, because my point this whole time has been the same thing. The earth does not receive sufficient insolation to boil off the oceans. Tell me, did you ever play SimEarth? Driving the dominant sentient life form to boil off the oceans was something of a passtime for me. Contrary to what scientists who came before him suggested. Strawman - That's not the claim I made. I only said that my post was buried 400 posts back in the thread and that anyone wanting to find it would have to get through them first, a task that is, I am sure, more than many can be bothered with. How unreasonable of me, replying promptly to a post. I may have missed that if it was in the portion you quoted. And once again you demonstrate you haven't understood the paper. You keep saying this and it's still just as wrong. They modeled the troposphere as turbulant and convective, and the stratosphere as isothermal. Do you understand the significance of that? Apparently not. This is what I mean by your objections being based in a failure to understand the paper rather than actual flaws in the paper. Ignoring clouds means they're examining a worst case scenario, as does assuming the oxiatioln of earths entire crustal inventory of carbon, something far on excess of anything you have described. The conclusion that according to you Hansen now supports? That we can not boil off the oceans? This is almost insulting. First off, what you describe here is almost exactly the method I used. In computing when you use it to search a list it's call,ed the binary search method. I've. Coded a variation of it to try and find the prime roots of a secondary Prime, I've also used it to pinpoint pollution sources in river catchments of hundreds of square kilometers resulting in convictions in a court of law. That wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was that most people probably aren't going to bother.