Scaredy-Cat Nation

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hypewaders, May 29, 2009.

  1. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Stop Helping!

    Stop helping the banks.

    Stop helping the automakers.

    Stop helping the Israeli lobby.

    Of course, theres not much help one can provide with 12 trillion dollars less than zero!

    This is why Geithner is in China today...begging for more cash so he can keep on helping everybody.
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I'm saying we have to fight the real war on terror.
     
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  5. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Obama is the president. He pushed for the stimulus package which added nearly a trillion dollars all by itself. He's supported bailout after bailout. He's responsible for his actions. I never said he was responsible for the debt built up before he took office. But he damned well is responsible for what happens on his watch. Stop making excuses for him.
     
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  7. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    spidergoat: "the real war on terror."

    Please describe this new version, and contrast it with the disastrous TWOT 0.1 beta.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't include Iraq.
     
  9. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Any nation that identifies itself, and defines its politics by a perceived threat, Is doomed to fail. Eventually.
     
  10. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    spidergoat: "the real war on terror [doesn't include Iraq]"

    So the scary monsters are coralled in Afghanistan? What do they look like, and how are we gonna git 'em?
     
  11. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Thought I'd check in and see what you thought of this president.....

    Remember this....

    I'm in quotes there, you're responding. You got personal because I considered it possible that Obama might not pull the troops out. Yet here we are and as far as I can tell Obama will be leaving many 10s of thousands of troops, sorry advisors, in Iraq for the forseeable future. He has upped the ante in Afghanistan - and started preparing the ground for more military intervention in Afghanistand AND PAKISTAN even before he was in office.

    No need to occupy Iraq again. The occupation will not stop. Under his current planning. And who knows how many private troops will continue to be there.

    It was so hard to at least respectfully consider ove you asked methat a politician you liked might have appeared better pre-office than once in office that you had to attack someone who was not convinced. I said I wasn't sure, but I was skeptical, and when I stated some of the reasons why live up to what he seemed to be you said
    trying to make me feel bad rather than dealing with valid concerns - iow, the potential for
    to word it the way you have now.
     
  12. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    The more we go on thinking a shining Democrat Knight will come and save us - or for Conservatives the Repbublican counterpart - the more things will remain the same.
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    How about we adults take care of it and you can relax and not have to think about all the scary people out there, OK?
     
  14. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Simon Anders: "here we are and as far as I can tell Obama will be leaving many 10s of thousands of troops, sorry advisors, in Iraq for the forseeable future"

    While I'm disappointed that Obama's pragmatism has delayed the fulfillment of his promise about Iraq, we have binding timetable (a formal agreement with Iraq) for troop reductions below 50,000 next August IIRC and every US soldier out by the end of 2011. There are many more geopolitical and economic forces compelling our withdrawal besides.

    What's slowing Obama down is that it's not just about Obama. What's confusing you in reading my posts is that the problem is not just about you. But you're a part of it, and so am I. We're a nation that can't stand losing, and we're a nation gripped in fear. Even so, in both our personal and collective lives, we either face our mistakes or we compound them. That's why I still want to challenge this President and all of us to choose wisely then follow through, and never give in to the critics who appeal to our fear, and tell us to cower behind "Our Troops" and Authority as our Protectors.

    Does this make you feel bad? It's only temporary, until we get back to functioning with the real world, by taking an honest look at what we've done wrong. The alternative to facing our unrealistic fears is what will spiral into real horror.

    "The more we go on thinking a shining Democrat Knight will come and save us"

    "We" aren't thinking that. We're going to save ourselves, by abandoning these foolish myths.

    spidergoat: "How about we adults take care of it and you can relax and not have to think about all the scary people out there, OK? "

    I'm not afraid of them. That's your illusion, not mine.
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    You can hide your head in the sand, but there is a real struggle out there between Islam and those that represent progress and modernity, the West. It may not be possible to eliminate an ideology militarily, but as long as the Islamists are organized into a militia or army, they can be confronted. The long term solution must go beyond this, but no one seems to know how.
     
  16. EmeraldAxe Registered Senior Member

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    Good points all around. When I looked up the numbers (I had to actually add them up on a disorganized spreadsheet from a government website), they came out around 450k. I'm pretty sure Ron Paul said it was over 500k during the last election cycle (he's the only reason I looked it up on the first place). But 500k is just an easier number to work with so it's probably an overestimate on his part. Adam Smith has this famous quote that I can't remember in it's entirety so I'll paraphrase, whenever the country wants to go to war, special taxes should be levied against the populace, this way war will be at a minimum.

    What did you find when trying to assign actual dollar costs to the troops overseas? Also, I was not able to find if we are leasing the land for our bases or if we just tell countries that we're making bases. I did find a few news articles about American troops boozing in Japanese cities and raping Japanese civilians.

    No one talks about this. And I'm not so surprised by the raping and booze, but the amount of money to fund these ventures. It has to be on the order of 500 billion or a trillion per year especially if we lease the land for the (540?) bases.
     
  17. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    spidergoat: "there is a real struggle out there between Islam and those that represent progress and modernity, the West."

    Bullshit; bigotry; cultural insecurity; fear.

    Scaredy-cat.
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's fear of change that drives Muslims to demonize the west, fear of the free human being, fear of feminism, fear of free expression, and fear of a non-existent Allah.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, I'm watching it on CNN right now.
     

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