Savage Beating at McDonalds

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by madanthonywayne, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    But only because it seems achievable in this case. Otherwise, it might be better to call the police.
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    No argument from me. I dearly wish it was legal to carry a gun over here. I'd feel so much safer knowing if push came to shove I could just ventilate someone's legs.
     
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  5. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    NO SHIT!

    I've gotten mistaken for a male on occasion, is it ok to kick my head in, too?
     
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  7. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, (I can't speak for ALL men) but, I don't think we would have nearly as big a problem with a woman using a mens restroom...

    Hell they use the mensrooms at sporting events all the time..

    Never heard of a woman being attacked for it.:shrug:
     
  8. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Concerts as well. I see it all the time, sometimes approaching 50%. I agree that it wouldn't work out nearly so well the other way around. Perhaps an example of "reverse discrimination"?

    Personally I think the whole issue is overblown, I would have no problem with unisex restrooms to start with. I do, however, respect people's desire for privacy, so - different strokes for different folks. Europe (at least the parts I've visited) seems to have a more mature attitude in general than America does. Puritanical morals and all...

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    In any case, violence is uncalled for. Also, while I am aware of "The Bystander Effect", it presents no defense for nonintervention, at least in my book.
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No, but I'd like to try.
     
  10. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    By my way of thinking...now that you know about the bystander effect?You have to not be the bystander.

    So...

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    You reading this have now just been inducted into Chimpy's Dudley-Do-Right half-assed rescue squad!

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    Wear your mental tin badge with pride...

    What happens (I've done this at a nasty car wreck) is that when you stop to help, a whole bunch of other people do too.

    ATM I run around with a headlamp and some rubber gloves in my purse for those late-night auto wrecks on my way home...yes there's been at least one-I was surprised the poor kid was only bleeding from a gash on the arm-I saw that truck and thought I was going to find a carcass in it. He'd bent that full-size pickup into a whole new shape.
    I plan on adding a full first aid kit as finances allow.

    And considering how crazy people seem to be lately? I am thinking about a concealed-carry...I don't have a good pistol for that, but I can use the one I have, it's just bulky. But reliable. Revolvers don't jam.
    Having a loaded pistol pointed at you can make you reconsider a violent course of action.
     
  11. Cifo Day destroys the night, Registered Senior Member

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  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    so what? everybody gotta die sometime. better to die a hero than to die a coward.
     
  13. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    you'd be surprised what is achievable. i don't think that things are usually the way they seem.
     
  14. Cifo Day destroys the night, Registered Senior Member

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    Are you talking about the young (fe)male victim at McDonald's, or this old male victim?
     
  15. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    the old man.
     
  16. Cifo Day destroys the night, Registered Senior Member

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    Why differentiate?
     
  17. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, one of the first things they'll teach you if you take courses in any kind of first response (first aid, OEC, EMT, etc.) is that you never bother addressing a crowd of bystanders for help - everyone will assume that someone else is going to do it. Instead, you single out one particular individual and demand that they, specifically, call 911 or whatever. They'll agree immediately and spring into action. If you stand there yelling "somebody call 911!" at nobody in particular, you'll just get a bunch of blank stares.
     
  18. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Except there was no man in "their" bathroom.

    This kind of thing being why gender-specific bathrooms are oppressive. If you're transgendered, which one do you use? You face the possibility of violent assault or rape, if you choose wrong.
     
  19. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    What do you think would happen if a F->M transsexual (who was identifiable as such) tried the same thing?

    There are a variety of court cases pending in CA on the issue of where you put transsexual convicts. Pre-op M->F transsexuals get put in men's prisons. You can probably imagine the difficulties presented by arriving in a men's prison with breasts, long hair and waxed legs.
     
  20. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    ? I hadn't noticed any greater incidence of unisex bathrooms in Europe. Certain places even seem to forgo stalls entirely, in favor of fully-enclosed little rooms.

    One thing that I did notice was a near-total lack of handicap access in Europe. Being wheelchair-bound there seems to sentence one to life as a shut-in - probably why I never see any wheelchair-bound people in public there.
     
  21. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    This scenario is called "dissipation of responsibility" each individual does nothing thinking someone else will step in. There was a similar case in Brooklyn in the 80's where a woman was killed in public and no one stepped in. A fun fact is that the people who do nothing also make good subjects for hypnosis as 'follower' types.

    I totally agree though, I would have stepped in rather than live with the guilt of not. The two bitches should be drowned in a cage, if this was stalin's russia they would be quartered.
     
  22. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I agree Odin.

    I have one word for what I'd like to see done to those women. Vierendelen.
     
  23. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    There is that...and it's not entirely mandatory you put yourself in harm's way to save someone else's life if you don't want to...just because I would.

    Just don't do nothing.

    At least call police, or stay there and witness the attack/incident, and provide first aid when it's safe for you to do so. If you can hustle the vicim into your house, car, or even another room, and get them away from the attacker at no risk to you, do that.

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    I'm taking you off ignore, though I said I would not...you may yank people's chains at times and I'll keep that in mind...but you get this.

    *shudder*
    Even in special populations they would not be safe from being raped.

    Then again prison rape is another thing that shouldn't be allowed to happen and does.

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