Saturn and Jupiter at dusk.

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  1. nebel

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    The ancients thought that the planets were gods. we followed that by using their names. so: recently we saw Saturn and Jupiter together in the waning sunlight.
    what could it be called?
    Goetterdaemmerung, twilight of the gods. Korny? you bet.
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Goetterdaemmerung
    Figuratively, the term is extended to situations of world-altering destruction marked by extreme chaos and violence.

    well
    let us hope that you are wrong here.
     
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  5. nebel

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    S: I do not attach any significance to the close view. I was referring mainly to the linguistic connection.
    The 2 biggies in line, as was depicted by BBC would pull the barycenter off the surface of the sun though, a give away for aliens hunting for their exoplanets.
     
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  7. nebel

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    I saw the two stacked behind each other on Dec 9 and Dec 23 looking northwest over the normally clouded pacific, with the glimmer of sunset still on the horizon. Impressive if you see the spatial depth of the solar system. Saturn twice as far away as Jupiter. like an eclipse, no artificial image can convey the experience.
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    One essayist called the alignment the Christmas star.
     
  9. nebel

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    that is a far fetched, even the date is not coinciding with the winter solstice. It depends where you are looking from, the east? how long is the direction true when walking? Don't take a book that has talking snakes as a main theme as an astronomical guide book. comical perhaps.
     
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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    A conjunction.
     
  11. nebel

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    seen in beauty above the gentle jade glow of the sunken sun.
     
  12. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Could be omen for 2021?
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    A Superior conjunction to be exact, or sometimes a "great" conjunction with regards to Jupiter and Saturn.

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  14. nebel

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    yeah, it would be another matter if the 2 ever are in a minor / inferior conjunction. like Venus and Mercury.
    Ju[iyer and Saturn have actually much in common, both have
    ~ 10 earthhour days, orbital and
    rotational velocities that ~ cancel at noon. ( see appropriate threads for details).
     
  15. nebel

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    saint: not to worry, this is a cyclical event, happening every 800 years or so. and obviously the apocalypse (if any) did not happen then, the last time. The saints, 2300 et al are still among us.
    Astronomy predictions are more reliable than "end of the world", omen calculations.
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Both Jupiter and Saturn have around 10 day rotational periods, but their orbital periods are Jupiter: 12 years...Saturn: 29 years.

    Mars and Earth also have similar rotational periods.
     
  17. nebel

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    yes, the Years have to vary, could not be otherwise, given the gravity and Kepler's laws, but that the days would be so similar is amazing and probably shows the vestiges of the rotation of Gyres in the mele^ of the origin molecular cloud,
    That it fits in with the 10s in The "numbers of no.1 thread" is something else. that it is why nebel is banned from science.
     
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    yes, the Years have to vary, could not be otherwise, given the gravity and Kepler's laws, but that the days would be so similar is amazing and probably shows the vestiges of the rotation of Gyres in the mele of the origin molecular cloud, Uranus and Neptune too have rotational speeds. 2.6-8 km sec that are for all practical purposes identical.
    That it fits in with the 10 s in the "numbers of no.1 thread" is something else. that it is why nebel is banned from science.
    *I have read somewhere, that if the moon's angular momentum would be integrated with Earth, we would have 10 hour days too.
     
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  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Pseudoscience but what this forum is noted for!

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    Actually when the Moon was first formed, it distance from Earth was much closer [about half I recall] and a day on Earth was around half of what it is now.
    In the far future, through a process called tidal gravitational effects, the Moon will be more then double its distance and a day on Earth will be equal to a lunar month. We will then be in a captured synchronous orbital lock, much as is the case with many other moons in the solar system, most notably Pluto and Charon.
     
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    There you go, that, 12, is close to 10 hours.
    no matter what, total angular momentum is preserved, shrink it enough in size, back in time and we would be having 10 hours rotation, , like 90% of the planetary mass.
     
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    Of course Abiogensis theory had not then taken hold and the Earth had no life when the Moon was half its present distance, and when a day on Earth is equal to a Lunar month, we will all probably be extinct and the planet burnt to a cinder as this time frame coincides with the time our Sun will be a red giant.
    What 12?
    It's pure and simple coincidence...Like why we now get total eclipses...the Moon is 400 times closer to Earth then the Sun, and 400 times smaller in diameter. See the connection?
     
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  22. nebel

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    24 :2 is 12 thank you. 12 closer to ten then 24. the ten hour length being the most prevalent day of bodies around the sun. by mass.
     
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  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The point is the distance the Moon is from Earth and the length of an Earth day are variables, depending on time...past, present and future. So certainly no underlying numerology, astrology or any other notion.
     

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