sam's trollish nature

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Roman, Dec 28, 2007.

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  1. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Bells:
    What's a big no no? Reposting material for which I have received no indication that it was a breach of the rules? Do you want me to post the PM SAM sent me?

    Note how I was not warned for my comment regarding the comparison of child molestation with abortion. In fact, I was warned for INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE.

    I don't giving a fuck about goofy.

    For the first post, not the second. For inappropriate language, not my my satire regarding child molestation vs abortion. A subtlely which no mod here seems to grasp. If I had been warned for the post regarding child molestation, then it would be case closed.
    But as it is, this is just an example of incompetence on behalf of not just SAM, but the mods/admin who let this shit slide.

    How can I override a decision I was not informed of? If SAM had stated that my second post was inappropriate, and it had been deleted, then I would not have reposted it. However, all I knew was that she had deleted my first post for a so called breach of conduct, and that my second post had just disappeared as well.

    I don't trust Plazma either. Sometimes I get the feeling that he uses James R as a lightning rod for his mismanagement.

    I'm not racist, and I consider it close to defamation to brand me as such. I'm sick and tired of being misrepresented by certain mods on this forum.
     
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  3. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    S.A.M:
    But you gave me the reasons for moderation (aka. deletion) of the FIRST post. Not the second. For all I know, you could have deleted the second post by accident. I'm also on dial-up... perhaps it didn't go through properly. Either way, I didn't override shit.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I thought you weren't a mind reader? I'm not. All you had to do was ask.

    I deleted the post. I saw it reposted, no questions asked.

    And I gave you warning for flaming not deletion, I could have chosen to leave the post if I thought it was useful for the discussion to continue.
     
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  7. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    S.A.M:
    I'm not. When I found my second post deleted without so much as a 'by your leave', I didn't know wtf was going on. You could have just informed me that the repost was also unacceptable, and deleted it (although, as I've already mentioned, such an approach isn't very tactful. But it's still preferential to autoban, right?). But instead, you felt it necessary to ban. That's the problem with the moderation: The always assume the worst of their posters. If you get stuck with the stigma of being a trouble-making cunt (with the stima being either rightfully or wrongfully applied), then all of the following moderation is prejudical.

    It certainly would have been 'proper' of me to ask, but I couldn't have been bothered expending the effort on my shit slow connection! Still, I think it just a 'little' bit harsh that you would ban me for what could be chalked down to a misunderstanding/laziness, and it fits perfectly with your targeting of me.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You're either a mind reader or you're not.

    I'm not.

    If you cannot be bothered to extend yourself to be understood, don't expect me to hold your hand and cry over dial-up difficulties.
     
  9. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    SAM:
    You do realize that that also applies to you, right? Minus the dial up difficulties, and all. Oh, and you're a mod, so you should be able to express yourself clearly when messing with people's posts. Right?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I will do this much. The next time I find an inappropriate post by you, I will give you a chance to rectify/delete it yourself.
     
  11. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Sometimes I delete 20-30 posts in a thread. Do you think I'm going to explain all of them? Deleted posts are just that, deleted. For whatever reason. If you care so much about the particular post, ask. If you repost without asking, its over riding moderation.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You're welcome. I will also erase the last ban from your record, so that officially you are still at the 7 day ban stage of the 3, 7, 14, 30 day ban cycle.

    On a personal note, I dislike having these fixed time bans except when I believe the person is deliberately flaming. I am going to take your word that your intention is not to flame and take you off the watch list. Which means that any decision to ban you will not be made by me.

    That is as much as I can do for you in my capacities.

    On a separate note, I am always open to questions about moderation and have frequently reversed infractions and warnings after discussion with posters. Sometimes all you have to do is ask me why.
     
  14. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i say!
    wonders blah
     
  15. Gustav Banned Banned

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    still subject to your interpretation? it seems that way... but loving you and shit....

    kindly do not get too chummy with the fucker

    /jealous
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    That is what moderation is. Subjective. Not mechanical/


    I actually have quite a history with MH. Our first interaction was over Holocaust denial, which may have biased me against him a bit, but after several interactions with him, including PMs I have seen his contribution to discussions at sciforums.

    This does not mean I should not have deleted his post or he should not have been banned. Rather, this discussion showed me that he considered himself a "target" which he was not, except as a frequent flamer. That too, appears to be due to a sense of injury over being labeled a racist.

    In my years (two almost!) on this forum, I have seen how unreliable labels can be. So my gesture to him is both a peace offering, a courtesy to a long time member and faith in his word and my judgement of his interactions with me. A faith experiment if you like.
     
  17. Gustav Banned Banned

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    /eek

    do with me as you will and that shall be the whole of the law
     
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  19. Bells Staff Member

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    Her deleting it was not a clear enough indication?

    All well and good. But it is beside the point. You chose to overrule a mod edit, knowing such actions usually result in a ban. You have been here too long enough to claim ignorance as an excuse.

    You're the one who brought up the "good ole days" MH.

    You received a warning and had posts deleted, and you still didn't get it?

    She probably assumed you were intelligent enough to understand that when she deletes a post of yours, that said post might have breached site rules.

    Let me get this straight. You received a warning for one post and then had that and another post deleted. That was not enough of an indication to you that it was not appropriate?

    And are you sure you would have heeded a second warning, seeing how you considered her first warning as "bullshit":

    Yes MH. We are all out to get you.

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    Of course you're not. That's why you refer to Africans as "savages".

    *Picks up spear*...

    *Starts chanting* 'giddy giddy giddy giddy..' ... big bwana.. the other white meat... 'giddy giddy giddy'


    And next time, don't be so lazy.

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  20. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    What I learnt from this thread. Not all moderators deserve respect and some people can be pretty disgusting.
     
  21. sandy Banned Banned

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    Can you tell the other mods that, please?

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    Except for String and Spider. They're fair.
     
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  22. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    -and Balanced.
     
  23. Roman Banned Banned

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    What's wrong with calling Africans savages? It's just another value judgement. You seem pretty a-ok tossing those around, Bells.
     
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