Discussion in 'Politics' started by billvon, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Honor systems in general are symptoms of social breakdown - a last resort or marginal adoption, when or where a society cannot establish community and mutual cooperation via the normal childhood upbringing, religion, or family/tribe/town custom, and lacks the power to coerce.

    They provide a way to behave well in the absence of all coercion, as most people want to behave, without taking on the role of victim or sucker. In this role they are invaluable.

    Addictions, like tobacco or opium or alcohol, subvert and undermine them at the root. They won't work, and pretending they will is feckless.
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  3. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

    No problem.
    I disagree. There is, certainly, a great advantage for the really big 0.1%, which is present in all modern economies, because only the big firms can afford lobbies. So, those who write the many regulations are the big firms.

    Is there something beyond this basic and fascism-independent advantage? Something additionally exist. What is quite typical for corporatist economy is an institutionalized form of lobbyism, namely some "chamber of commerce" or so organizations for all firms of a given sector, membership obligatory, which official power to regularize the sector. Of course, this power is that of the leadership of this chamber, and it is controlled by the big guys. Beyond this, personal friendship with the Führer plays a greater role in fascism than in democracies.
    No. Here I simply disagree. This is a feature of another structure, globalism. Where you can, if you are a big guy, work with formally foreign tax havens.
    Seems, you cannot write a post without some defamation.

    No. Their existence is, instead, evidence that the social breakdown is not complete. Honor is something which works on the base of social value in a community.
    No. They work, in the sense that the addicted people are penalized as people without honor. And, therefore, prevented from influencing society.
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    You are wrong.
    And you are wrong again, as even the most trivial of surveys of actual fascist governments would make clear.
    Fascism is sufficient. Globalism is not necessary - it helps, of course.
    You pretended to misread, so I corrected you. Again.
    You mean "yes, honor systems are a dysfunctional last resort, I agree with you"
    In your fantasy world. Not in history, not in the course of events. In the real world, the restaurants and airplanes and subways and hotel rooms and classrooms fill with toxic smoke, pilots and judges and surgeons get drunk on the job, children and spouses are abandoned, things go to hell.
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  7. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

    Trump dictated son’s misleading statement on meeting with Russian lawyer

    Trump LIED about his family's contacts with Russia.
    Trump Jr. LIED about his contacts with Russia.
    Sessions LIED about his contacts with Russia.
    Flynn LIED about his contacts with Russia.
    Kushner LIED about his contacts with Russia.
    Manafort LIED about his contacts with Russia.
    Page LIED about his contacts with Russia.
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Some timeline stuff, and an update on Trump's odd behavior at the G20 boomantribune/Svpw (Booman Tribune)
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Can any one actually recall a single thing Trump has said that is true or even close to truth?
    It is like as if his whole life is a lie.. .
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Politifact has been tracking this, and since he announced his candidacy he has said 20 things that are completely true. (The other 413 things, on the other hand . . .) His true statements:

    Jon Ossoff "doesn't even live in (his) district." June 20th, 2017

    The federal tax code includes "deductions for birds flying across America." May 15th, 2017

    "General Flynn got his clearance from the Obama administration." May 2nd, 2017

    Illegal immigration on the U.S.-Mexico border is "the lowest in 17 years." April 25th, 2017

    "One-third of the counties — think of it, one-third — only have one insurer left" on the Affordable Care Act exchanges - March 13th, 2017

    "Jackie Evancho’s album sales have skyrocketed after announcing her inauguration performance." January 5th, 2017

    "Wisconsin is one of several states where you can change your early ballot if you think you've made a mistake." November 2nd, 2016

    "Heroin .. pours across our southern borders." October 19th, 2016

    "In Chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since Jan. 1. Thousands of shootings." September 27th, 2016

    "We spend more per student than almost any other major country in the world." September 21st, 2016

    Heroin comes in the United States "from the southern border." August 30th, 2016

    Says the media distorted what happened with a baby at his rally. August 8th, 2016

    "An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views." July 22nd, 2016

    "Our trade deficit in goods reached nearly … $800 billion last year alone." July 21st, 2016

    "Forty-three million Americans are on food stamps." July 21st, 2016

    "A shocking 20 veterans are committing suicide each and every day, especially our older veterans." Thursday, July 14th, 2016

    Says Hillary Clinton "said she was under attack (in Bosnia) but the attack turned out to be young girls handing her flowers." Wednesday, June 22nd, 2016

    Says a YouTube video shows Thomas DiMassimo "dragging the American flag on the ground like it was a piece of garbage." March 17th, 2016

    The U.S. "doesn’t make television sets anymore." March 14th, 2016

    Says American polling shows Russian President Vladimir Putin has "an 80 percent approval rating." December 20th, 2016
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    For the record, as of this week, a timeline:

    Steven Harper compiled it, more or less on his own (considerable) recognizance, and an interview with him is linked:
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Here's a bonny entry in the timeline category for any conspiracy theorists stockpiling "coincidences": emptywheel/cAUy (emptywheel)


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