Roy moore accusations

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  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Meanwhile, we get some payback in black humor:
    Mittens sounds genuinely concerned. Wow.

    Imagine being a Republican in 2017 who sincerely believes that the Republican Party has honor and integrity, honor and integrity it might lose, here.
    It's going to be a long swim in rough water - that ship was last at the dock when Katrina was a girl in a Russian novel.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    HA! No it is all bluster, he wants the vote, he just want to say he does not to appear moral.

    As for democrats distancing themselves for calling Frankens resignation, just got a email from one or our gubernatorial candidates:

    I’m disappointed in Democrats who called for Franken’s resignation without letting the Senate ethics investigation play out. Franken and his Minnesota constituents deserved to have the Ethics Committee do its work. We have a Republican president who bragged about sexually assaulting women and has been accused of far more than Franken. Alabama may soon elect a Republican senator—with the support of the Republican National Committee—who many believe has molested children. We did not need to push Franken out to show that Democrats have the “moral high ground” and are “for women.”

    We are champions for women when we fight for decent wages, fairness on the job, health care, reproductive rights, and retirement with dignity. We are on moral high ground when we hold the powerful accountable just like the weak, and insist that due process be given to all.
    --- Tina Liebling
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Is this new, after the stay?

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    Okay, so, this is the rising panic, as of 20.27 PST:

    BREAKING: We just got a call from attorneys John Brakey and Chris Sautter from #Alabama. The State Supreme Court, without a hearing, but on the pure "ex-parte" (i.e. private) complaint of the State, "stayed" — that is, OVERTURNED THIS MORNING’S RULING TO PRESERVE ALL BALLOTS!

    (Palast↱)

    The Motion to Stay↱ is available, but confirming the actual stay is the hard part, right now.
    ____________________

    Notes:

    Marshall, Steven T., James W. Davis, and Brent Beal. "State Defendants' Emergency Motion to Stay". Tuggle et al. v. Merrill and Packard. Supreme Court of Alabama. 11 December 2017. GregPalast.com. 11 December 2017. http://bit.ly/2nPJVCo

    Palast, Greg. "BREAKING: We just got a call from attorneys John Brakey and Chris Sautter from #Alabama." Twitter. 11 December 2017. Twitter.com. 11 December 2017. http://bit.ly/2BUrApI
     
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  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    Shades of Florida.
     
  9. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    What makes that stay all the more interesting...

    https://www.alternet.org/activism/a...ght-order-blocking-best-practices-verify-vote

    So, if Federal law requires election materials be preserved for 22 months...

    Then how did this:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...right_after_a_lawsuit_alleged_the_system.html

    ... I'm sorry, but this is some fucked up bullshit...
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Jones looks like he's about to win. The swing against a sex offender candidate is huge in a red state.

    Looks like the moral high ground has its good points after all.
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I did not even want to look at the election all day, then I saw your post.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/alabama-senate-election-results/

    "As the resident mandatesperson, I’ll point out once again that surprise and novelty contribute to how significant an election result seems. There are a lot of factors at work — campaigning and turnout, Moore’s slipping support, and, of course, Trump’s long shadow. His recent endorsement of Moore and the fact that the president has also been accused of sexual misconduct helps form a coherent narrative, whether it’s the right one or not. I think it’s hard to say that this election was a referendum on the president. But it’s entirely possible that it’ll be interpreted that way in the months to come."

    Well if the warlock hunt gets rid of more republicans than democrats, that does not make it right, but at least something good comes out of it.
     
  12. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    I am astounded - first time in 25 years Alabama has sent a Democrat to the Senate. Even with the allegations against Moore, the GOP brought it to a margin of, seemingly, less than two percent.

    Of course, Jones won't be sworn in until next year, so still plenty of time for the GOP to fuck stuff up.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    No actually, I was watching 358 and this is what was said:

    The Alabama Secretary of State’s office has said that the certification process of the electoral results likely will not be completed until at least Dec. 26, meaning that Jones would not be seated as a senator until that date or later, depending on when the Senate is in session. So for the upcoming government funding bill (current funding expires on Dec. 22), incumbent Republican Sen. Luther Strange is likely to be voting. Similarly, Republicans were already planning to try to push their tax bill through before Christmas. (Different versions passed in the House and Senate and those must be reconciled.) So congressional Republicans will be even more determined to finish the tax legislation quickly, before Jones comes to Capitol Hill.

    That said, let’s say Republicans can’t move that quickly. Jones still can’t kill the bill himself. The senator-elect has suggested he would join the 48 Democrats and Tennessee Republican Bob Corker in opposing the legislation. But Republicans would still have 50 members who back it, with Vice President Mike Pence to break the tie.

    Here’s the problem for Republicans. Once Jones arrives in the Senate, they have no margin for error. Any single Republican senator can tank the bill. So that gives members leverage. In particular, watch for Maine Sen. Susan Collins, who wants two pieces of legislation to help improve Obamacare to be adopted in exchange for her tax reform vote, since the tax provision includes a repeal of the individual mandate in Obamacare. If Republicans must have Collins’ vote to pass tax reform, she could have huge sway in moving the bill to her preferences.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/alabama-senate-election-results/

    Scroll down to the 10:37 post, and there's a list of the counties carried by Jones and Moore arranged in order of turnout compared with 2016.

    What it seems to show is that black voters in Alabama's cities carried it for Jones by turning out in very high numbers for an off year election, and that the rural white voters in Alabama stayed home in the normal proportions typical of off year elections.

    That suggests that Jones's high status in the black community, from his recent and famous prosecution and conviction of men who had bombed a black church and killed four little girls during the civil rights violence of 1963, was at least as significant as Moore's pedophilia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing

    If we are looking for the benefits of high moral ground, and projecting the political future of the country from this election, racial justice seems to have been central.
     
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  15. Bells Staff Member

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  16. birch Valued Senior Member

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    it puts a little bit of faith back into humanity when you witness good win against all odds.
     
  17. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Now the question is, can Democrats capitalize on this and open the door in the Deep (red) South, or do they let this chance fly away.

    Then again, all it took for a Republican to (barely) lose was to, literally, be a pedophile and serial sexual assaulter. I'm not sure I like the chances for 2018 and 2020 in such a place.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    While part of me would like to believe some of what you said there is also the write-in problem, the write-in candidate was larger then must other years by several times, and in fact was larger then the margin of victory. From this a count of the write-in could show that enough Republicans wrote in someone to sway it to Jones.

    Well at least we know that is not hard to come by for our president. The problem of course is if the republicans start smearing enough democrats to cost the left more then it gains the right.
     
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  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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  20. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I mean much of what he says sound like economic justice, which means he is trying to sell himself to everyone, not simply blacks.
     
  22. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Ah, fair enough
     
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