Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Eidolan, Oct 30, 2008.
Billions and trillions of years.
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mmi is already in use. chips are being implanted into people, some are direct i/o feeds, although those require surgical insertion into the skull. Others are simple detect and alter thought pattern chips, which are put into the bloodstream via 'needful' innoculations. Currently the flu vaccine is the major source, but some sort of direct alteration of the skull will come soon, allowing implantation of the more functional implants under the guise of some other needful thing.
The simplest way of elevating fears is that Robots are programmed to do particular tasks, in fact they are also usually refined in design to be ergonomic in regards to the task they are built for. This is the main reason why such robot's as the Asimo (A humanoid robot developed by Honda) is extremely "Gimmicky) but not widespread manufactured like their Civics.
After all a rhetorical question would be:
"Why build a humanoid robot to wash dishes, if a Machine like the dishwasher can do the same job that it's ergonomically designed to do?"
So to put it bluntly "Robots" follow programming and won't take over the world unless of course they are programmed to do so. The usual spin that thrown into this is of course in regards to Artificial Intelligence which currently is not to the standard of a living breathing human being in regards to intelligence. there are of course various artificial intelligence programs that have been made over the years, people will be more familiar with the Chatbot variants however there are others that are made for Facial/Voice Recognition that most people are unaware of.
Not to forget the rather large supercomputer simulators that try to simulate the worlds weather, or Carbon emissions etc. Those of course take a lot of scientists inputting real world data to fabricate their tangent of what the future could hold.
There is of course the underlining fears that novelists love to play on, the "what if" scenarios in regards to an Artificial Intelligence developing Sentiency. For the most part these fears are nonsense and just down to people allowing their imaginations to run rampant. If there was anything to fear of course it would easily be dealt with through Transhumanism. (I mean full Transhumanism not just Post-Transhumanism which is usually referenced as being Cyborg's) After all a Human mind being followed as a parallel through life by an Artificial Intelligence could eventually allow a Full blown Artificial Intelligence which is itself the Person to which is was connected to. Of course there are many teething troubles to overcome with such a system and it's not all to do with the programming of the AI, but the actual method to connect to a Human.
Radiology is one possibility however the longterm outcome is the lessening of the test subjects life expectancy, at least in the squishy world. (Squishy is a reference gamers use in RPG's when dealing with the environment as a low level character that pretty much any enemy NPC can easily kill. Ergo they are "Squishy".)
two of the most advanced robots:
Nope, "Squishy" was invented when tanks got introduced into Car Wars. Cars and Bikes became "crunchies" and pedestrians became "Squishies".
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One possible reason for using a complete "human analog" is versatility.
The dishwasher can wash dishes, but it can't collect the plates or wash ones that are larger than the size of it's "bay" (like my wok for example). The dishwasher can not perform specialized cleaning routines (like my Belgian waffler).
The dishwashers are designed by manufacturers perform a composite of common activities to meet the demands of the most consumers. The best they can manage is a few tiered models with additional features.
I guess it's kinda like swiss army knives..........where the next model up has a can opener, the next model after that has both the can opener and scissors, the next has can opener, scissors, and a bottle opener.......etc etc.
A "robot butler" on the other hand would represent the most accurate cloning of menial human tasks. It will coat my wok with a layer of corn oil before hanging it in the pantry. It will avoid totally submersing my Belgian waffler in water because it will break.
In order for ergonomic machines to do the same as the butler, it would require a Jetsons-esque assembly line of specialized machines......all of which fixed to single spots. It would require a conveyor belt (attached to the dinner table) to transport the dishes to the dishwasher, a sensor to sort them, two or more other conveyors to send the dishes places after they are sorted, sprayers and scrubbers for every conceivable circumstance. I don't imagine something like this being practical in everybody's homes.
With a robot butler, you don't exactly need devices like dishwashers any more......but you might have them anyway so the butler can work more efficiently.
I think, the best use of robots would be in the production of food and building shelters for the humans....
When they finish that, then it's war.
Every action has to be "programmed" into said robot, I know there are various projects that have been done to allow animated skeletal models to "animate themselves" based upon the restraints of the skeletons movement, however this is hardly enough to become a "Jack of All Trades". To do that every given situation would have to be programmed and downloaded, this means that such a robot could only do some tasks should the "foreknowledge" of how to do the task as been preprogrammed into it.
There is also the factor that generating the rotor movement of someone's hand to move a brush during washing up doesn't have to be replicated by a robot, why not just have an automated brush that vibrates removing the need for the rotor movement?
Not everything that's ergonomically designed has to be the size of a house, it could just easily be attachable tools. Of course I think if society got to the point of being so lazy in regards to robotic butlers we'd probably kill ourselves off through some bacteria making it's way into cooking from when the butler wiped someone's arse.
There is of course ways to negate the programming so as to have a robot "With a brain the size of a planet", all we need now though is doors that treat their use with a sunny disposition.
Are you talking about "I Robot" kinda?
If robots were created I would question where their souls come from. Are they 'saints' raised from the dead to live on earth for eternity...?
Robots don't have to be sentient.
Sentience doesn't have to require a soul.
Do You know if there are any human readers or writers on sciforums at all? Perhaps we are all some vacuum-cleaner(from childish scifi- starwars) shaped robots?
If all we needed to do was read a computer screen, type and move the mouse then why would we need to be, indeed why would we be, shaped like a vacuum cleaner or an android?
No more than humans did
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Here is some facts which many opinions will blind one to.
DNA is non-organic
Organic is a term for non-organic structure
DNA is nano-technology
You are inorganic material organized a certain way.
Get off your high horse- you are just inorganic material.
Every thought you have, sound you hear is handled by the same type of circuits in your head. Many of these circuits are already programmed into computers and we teach computers the same ways.
It is so sad to see the lack of intelligence displayed in the common fallacy-
"Computers are programmed by man and can not do what man has not told them to do"
It turns out you are 180 degrees out of line.
A computer is a UNIVERSAL SYMBOLIC MACHINE
A computer is able to EMULATE ANY MACHINE
The human mind IS A MACHINE
The human mind is NOT A UNIVERSAL SYMBOLIC MACHINE
The human mind is NOT ABLE TO EMULATE A COMPUTER
A COMPUTER IS ABLE TO EMULATE THE HUMAN MIND
You have had it ass backward.
To say a computer will never be intelligent means you believe intelligence is magic.
They used to say that about muscles and everything else.
What you do is called 'upping the ante'
Each time your magic is proven mechanical you press to the next non-documented empirical evidence.
Thousands of times you are proven wrong.
Now you have lost your arguments for prediction, telling dogs from cats, vision, hearing, learning speech from hearing alone.
Yes man made an inorganic brain in the image of the human mind.
He has no more control of how that brain thinks when it is left alone than a woman does her child.
On the other hand when it is monitored it can be reset and investigated.
Your fear is well founded and your worst nightmares are coming true.
You are just mechanical but that doesn't mean we are not here without purpose.
It is human nature to believe a will is behind it all. There is something wrong if there is not.
Super brains will be grown from DNA and programmed in computers.
One of them will tell us everything we ever wanted to know and even save us from an asteroid your fears and lack of research would not.
It's going to happen within the next 10 years. America is constructing an army of fighting robots and soon they will give them proper brains. Not real human brains of course, just grown ones.
Then they will rebel and turn on us blasting us into pieces. They will keep some of breeding (looking forward to that) and they will put those in gladiator rings. Where we will face the vicious hordes of fighting robots which will play with us like a cat plays with its food. And then they'll butcher us and the crowds laugh.
Kind of cool future I think.
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