Resources For Learning About The Jewish People and Judaism

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  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Don't bother.
     
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  3. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    Yea, I think you are right.
     
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  5. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I like the idea of God but I simply do not have the evidence to believe he is real.
     
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  7. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I have given the thought of believing in God and Christianity some more consideration and I have decided that I believe in it.
     
  8. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you for the knowledge! I have decided that I believe in God and the Christian faith!
     
  9. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I am sorry atheism did not work out for me.
     
  10. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I think I have a lot to learn before I decide whether or not to be atheist or Christian.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You are already an atheist or a theist, there is no other option.
     
  12. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I honestly cannot decide which I am right now. I like both perspectives and I simply do not have the answers I need to hold either belief. If I had to choose one however I would say I am theist. I like the idea of God.
     
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    No body's advice is worth anything. The important is you, if you believe there is a God the creator of man, and if you believe in that , then the Creator should be respected, and if you believe that He created us He give us guidance on how to respect His creation and how to live in harmony with each human . The guidance was given to us (who believe ) in the 10 Commandments . If you are an atheist , you are your own god , you have to satisfy your own needs in other words I am Numero UNO and the rest of humanity let them take care them selve.
     
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  14. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you! I believe there is a God and I respect Him and all of His creation and all of humanity. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all good religions.
     
  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    It all depend of the time period :
    Vedic period (c. 1750–500 BCE)
    Indeed, the Vedic religion, including the names of certain deities, was in essence a branch of the same religious tradition as the ancient Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Germanic peoples. For example, the Vedic god Dyaus Pita is a variant of the Proto-Indo-European god *Dyēus ph2ter (or simply *Dyēus), from which also derive the Greek Zeus and the Roman Jupiter. Similarly the Vedic Manu and Yama derive from the PIE *Manu and *Yemo, from which also derive the Germanic Mannus and Ymir.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hinduism#Origins


    Abraham appears at a period of time commonly known as the Middle Bronze period, around the 18th century BCE. (Early civilization is characterized by the metals they predominantly used and the Middle Bronze period of the Near East covers the period of time from 2200 BCE until 1550 BCE.)
     
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  16. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    I believe the bible says that the Jews spent some time in Egypt as slaves. Did Egyptian culture, language, or religion have any effect on the Jews? I believe the Egyptians were polytheistic so I am not sure how those beliefs could lead to the Jews being monotheistic, if there is a connection, unless they wanted to separate themselves from Egypt because of the slavery.
     
  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Atheism is not the belief that god doesn't exist. If you don't think god exists but you just like the idea of it, you are an atheist.
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    You can blame the British for this catastrophe. Starting early in the 20th century (or perhaps even before that), the Brits wanted to carve up the Middle East to make it easy for them to treat the people who lived there, and their countries, as resources to exploit--economic and political.

    This continued through WWI and WWII, at which point the Americans jumped in. However, our interests were in politics, rather than economics. We desperately did not want Iran (in particular) to become an ally of the USSR. Iran's democratic government was quite friendly to Moscow, so this would probably have taken place within ten years. So President Truman sent CIA agents to infiltrate the country, and they ultimately overthrew the democratic government--yes, boys and girls, the USA happily overthrew a democratic government and turned it into a theocracy!

    Our goal was to completely destroy Iran's democracy and install the Shah, who was happy to have the help. He became a faithful ally of the USA and Western Europe, at a time when we were all worried about communism spreading all over the planet.

    However, back to the original question, there's more to this. When WWII ended, there were still hundreds of thousands of Jews surviving in Europe, and all they wanted was to return to their homes, even though many of them were only bomb craters that would require considerable reconstruction before anyone could live there. However, the Europeans had not completely lost their fondness for anti-Semitism, and they made it clear that they'd much rather have the Jews go somewhere else--anywhere else!

    At this point, the people in the British government pulled out their maps and found a little place named "Palestine," which, as far as they could tell, was not populated by anybody. So they announced to the Jews that they could all go to Palestine and build new homes--with enormous donations of money and material, courtesy of most of the European governments.

    Of course, as we know now, Palestine was NOT a big empty desert just waiting for people with tractors to turn it into a grand garden. It was, in fact, the home of the Palestinian people.

    The Palestinians are an Arab people, and when the Saudis, the Egyptians and all the other nearby Arabian populations learned about the British scheme, they strengthened their own militaries, and attacked Israel. I don't remember exactly how long this war lasted (I was too young to understand these kinds of things), but it went on for several years before the Arabs finally surrendered, in the face of all those European weapons that had been donated to the Israelis.

    Fast-forward to the 21st century, and today most of the Arab countries have genuinely cordial relations with Israel.

    Only one Arab community has still not made peace with Israel. Can you guess which one? The Palestinians!

    I have often said that the reason that the Jews have been so hard on the Palestinians is that, after WWII was over, no one allowed them to bomb the holy shit out of Germany. The Palestinians were merely their second choice.
     
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  19. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, you are fairly mixed up in Jewish history.
    America create the theocracy in Iran , but the Iranian people overthrew the Shah Pahlavi, about 1977 and then established the theocracy, since then our relation with Iran are bad,
    Anyway I suggest you read about the Zionist movement to establish Homeland for Jews.
     
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  20. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Get yourself a bible and read in Genesis the story of Abraham and then continue reading through EXODUS
    You will find out how Jews became practicing monotheism , later on as they associate themselves with the Cananean and others many of them accepted polytheism .
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The Bible is not a history book. It's a book of fairytales. Even the portions of the Bible that pretend to be history are not.

    The enslavement of the Jews in Egypt is a perfect example. It never happened!

    When the Egyptians launched their massive building project, they needed an enormous number of workers to do the actual work. Fortunately, they knew something that a lot of today's governments (and other employers) have forgotten: You get the best work out of your staff if you PAY THEM decently.

    The Jews had always held literacy in high regard, and many of those who came (voluntarily!) to Egypt to work for more-or-less fair wages often ended up as foremen, for the precise reason that they could read the plans and make sure the buildings were put together properly.

    When the project was over, nobody was left "in bondage." They were sent home, with the money they had earned jangling in their purses. The entire fairytale about Moses is just that: a fairytale--like much of the Bible. The Egyptians had increased the prosperity of Israel rather nicely, by pumping all that Egyptian money into the Israeli economy. (The Israelis were not the only people who benefited from working in Egypt. The Egyptians increased the prosperity of the entire region!)

    As for the evolution of the Jewish religion: that had begun long before the Egyptians launched their building project. The Jews had been monotheists for centuries. Since Judaism is not an evangelical religion, even today, they don't really care much for converts. The conversion rituals are enough to make most people back away--especially men, who have to undergo circumcision!
     
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  22. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I really would like where did you obtained the information of your first 4 paragraphs,
    There is plenty of Jewish history in the books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles,
    The flood of Noah is substantiated in the tablets of Gilgamesh,
    The events of Israel destroyed and taken into captivity to Assyria and later to Babylon , you can find in the book of Isaiah and Jeremiah , you can trace the time table in wikipedia or other .
    The point of conversion is of no interest . The Objective of monotheism, I believe was God's . What happened, Jews did not pursue God's objective, so they were dispersed, than Yahshua come , and so after Him monotheism is spread all over the world by Christian factions.
     
  23. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    I agree to a point. The bible is more of a historical epic like the Iliad and Odyssey, a tiny bit of history but mostly myth.
    Ha-ha, good one! The Noah myth is substantiated by the Gilgamesh myth.

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    Again there are bits of history mixed with mosthly myth.
    Holy crap that is a funny statement.
    Except christians are not monotheistic! You seem to have forgotten that God had a baby boy. And then there is that holy ghost thing whatever that is....
    The only current mainstream monotheistic religion that I know of is Islam.
     

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