some schizophrenics have delusions with a religious theme, some do not. the percentage of schizophrenics with delusions of a religious nature is on average proportional to the cultural religious population. to say "schizophrenics have illusions of religious nature" gives the wrong impresson of schizophrenia and of the nature of religious expereince. you are saying the connection between religious people and schizophrenics is they both have primitive menatlity. that is not true religious people are neither primitive or not primitive they encompass all sections of the populace. similarly with schizophrenia, there is no primitive mentality or intellectual capacity that can be asscoiated with schizophrenics, it can affect anybody of any intelect or socio-economic heritage. i have read julian james book on consciousness and th bicameral mind and while i respect his work i dont think it is conclusive that the mystics and religious people of the past would be diagonsed with schizophrenia. of course, there may be some whose expereince fall under the criteria of psychotic symptoms but to conclude that the ancients where schizophrenic is a big assumption based on remants of manuscripts and cave paintings. that is not ture either, there are no precursory cultural practices which lead to schizophrenia. yates was obviously a troubled women, is your problem here with god for telling her what to do, or with yates for blaming god? we are not discussing the history of schizophrenia. the claim is that religious expereince and schizophrenia have a Deeply Manifested Relationship. what is this deeply manifest relationship? becasue that is what religious expereince is! it seems you are saying that people who have religious expereinces are schizophrenic. that is not true and there are recognised psychiatric procedures to identify if an expereince is religous or psychotic what you call "delusional dreaming" is to others religious experience. if you seek the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual's definition of delusion you will note that an article of faith or cultural religious expereince does not qualify as a delusion.