Redbone and Melungeon

Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Orleander, Nov 27, 2007.

  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I was talking to a black guy and he said his family wasn't from Africa. They were Redbone. What the heck is that? I asked him and he didn't know, he just was. But he did say he was related to some Melungeons (sp?). :shrug:
    Is he just making this up?
     
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  3. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    He's a mutt, like most Americans, Canadians.
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh. That's it. Well, hell, I'm gonna tell people I'm a Redbone then too. I like how it sounds.
     
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  7. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Who knows who your Grandmama's milkman was - you could well be a redbone(african,european,native,blahblefuckinblah.)
     
  8. Non-Logical-Idea-Guy Fat people can't smile. Registered Senior Member

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    ooooooooooh lol
     
  9. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    Abstracted from Wikipedia (a resource you all apparently need to become more familiar with):

    "Redbone" is a Southern dialect term for Americans of mixed ethnic ancestry, generally two or more of the following in any proportion: Northern European, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, South Asian, Native American and African. The term undoubtedly originated in the South, where race was an emotional issue yet the white population mixed with minorities more than they admitted.

    The word Redbone was most often used for light-skinned children born into African-American families with dark skin. Its etymology is cited as the observation, "They're so light you can see their blood flowing." Sub-Saharan Africa has been invaded, exploited, occupied and colonized by nearby Europeans, western Asians and North Africans for millennia so that the "racial purity" of the African people is more a political term than a biological one. It's unremarkable for African-American couples to produce light-skinned children without having any known non-African ancestry, a phenomenon that to this day causes controversy and confusion.

    People identified as Redbones traditionally speak English and are not neccesarily Creole or Cajun, nor mixed with any other heritage. Close scrutiny reveals only vague differences between the culture of the referenced people and the dominant Euro-Americans surrounding them. The term was more common in the nineteenth century in east Texas and other parts of the South, but later generations continued to reference the descendants of these racially obscure people, to the extent that some of those descendants began to classify themselves as "redbone."

    "Melungeon" is simply another epithet originally used in similar fashion in Tennessee and Kentucky, but its usage has been recently expanded by genealogy marketers and tourism promoters. Its history can be traced to about the same era, which also produced the terms "moor", "brass ankle", etc., all of which have been associated with the same large group of family surnames. No specific surnames are cited and no etymology is given for "melungeon."

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    My take is that these words are legacies of America's racist past and we'd all be better off leaving them in the history books. The study of these relics is the fair province of linguistics because they have much to teach us, but let's try to maintain their status as academic.
     
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  11. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Danngit Neitz! I'm not even close to being Redbone.
    So, is Melungeon a bad word? Like the n word?
     
  12. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Any word is potentially a bad word.
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    <sigh> yes, but I'm not splitting that hair. Do you know if it started as a bad thing?
     
  14. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Nope- but the swastika started out as a "good" thing. I would call the guy by his name if I was you.
     
  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh

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    I normally call him 'stupidhead'.
    :shrug: hey, he answers to it.

    But if I ever meet any of his family members I'll know not to say "Hey! I hear you're ..."
     
  16. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Nothing is quite as "bad" as the N-word. But it's like calling somebody a half-breed. What's the point? Do we really need to comment on each other's ethnic ancestry, especially when it's so obscure that all we're really saying is, "You're a real American from the Melting Pot, I can't even tell where your ancestors came from."
     
  17. Till Eulenspiegel Registered Member

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    Redbones or Melungeons are American mestizos. They are closely related to the Lumbee Indians of North Carolina who are a mixture of freen negroes and American Indians. There is a great book about American mestizos written by Brewton Berry titled, Almost White.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    You mean Redneck...

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  19. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Melungeon... hmm... shift the accent to the third syllable and it sounds French but doesn't look French. Wait a minute, if you replace that U with an A, it still sounds French and now it looks French. Melangeon as in melange, a mixture. Sure enough, there's a French word melangeon that means "mixed breed."

    There was a huge French community in the South--the Louisiana purchase and all that. Melungeon is an anglicized French word.
     
  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Brass ankle? Is that a reference to slavery chains?
     
  21. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    LOL!! Hey! Wait a minute...
    ass.

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  22. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    Well the people who self-identify as Redbone in the heritage group I linked to (as well as those who identify as Melungeon on their heritage association web page:
    http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi?BISKIT=4071649884) seem pretty proud of their heritage and the name.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Don't know. The article was not well written and did not have many citations. Did they make slave chains out of brass in those days?
     

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