Reality is mathematics / Mathematics is reality ?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Write4U, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    They are expressions of natural forces that we can describe using ...what ever intellectual tool we choose to do it with.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And how do natural forces behave? Willy Nilly? No natural rules? Natural forces are free to express themselves at any time in any quantity or magnitude?

    The expression "Natural Laws" are what kind of laws? Are you prepared to say that nature has no natural guiding equations? It operates strictly by chance each time there is change?

    E = Mc^2 has never made an atomic bomb, therefore E = Mc^2 has nothing to do with it?

    Do you know why nature favors the Fibonacci sequence? I do.

    The whole point is that physical potentials are by their very nature mathematical, both in abstract theory and in physical expression.
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Is God a Mathematician?
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    So you would be a proponent of "Intelligent Design"?
     
  8. river

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    Your not understanding my point .

    The form and function of physical patterns exists because a physical object(s) exists in the first place .

    And not because of any number
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    do you know why nature favors the laws of gravity?
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    "It only takes one absolutely universal constant to be present for order to emerge from chaos".
    What is that universal constant?
     
  11. river

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    Any constant numbers is always based on a physical energy .
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and that one universal constant is the natural mathematical function.

    The universe "knows" the difference between 1 + 1 = 2 (mathematically allowed) and 1 + 1 = 3 (mathematically not allowed)
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There is no God.
     
  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    According to you the Fib. sequence is evidence of God.
     
  15. river

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    Yet mathematics has trouble proving that 1+1=2
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Gravity is the expressed phenomenon of a mathematical potential of massive objects. Massive objects bend spacetime with a strict mathematical equation, which causes objects to fall toward the massive object in accordance with a strict mathematical equation.

    Newton was able to symbolize these mathematical values and functions into human mathematical language.

    But If Newton never existed, the moon would still orbit earth in a specific predictable and measurable patterns, which we have come to call; the mathematical values and functions of universal properties and potentials.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No its evidence of the mathematical nature of the universe. No one, except theists assign Intelligence to the natural world.
     
  18. river

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    But none of this proves that mathematical numbers produce any physical object(s).
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Show me.
    Moreover, the premise of the posit is totally false. You want to use mathematics to prove mathematics wrong? Well, yes, human mathematics have been wrong many times. No such errors occur in nature.

    In 15 years of bookkeeping I never had any problems with addition, subtraction, multiplication or division.

    Ask any bank if they ever experienced any problems with the equation of 1 + 1 = 2
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and that determines how a physical object must behave in accordance with the mathematics of the physical attributes.
     
  21. river

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    True

    But pure mathematics has trouble with proveing 1+1=2 .
     
  22. river

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    Must behave ?

    Probabilties only .

    Anyway , mathematics , numbers , do not produce , any object at all .
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    They don't. They determine HOW a physical object or action will be produced.
    Patterns are patterns because they all follow the same mathematical rules that formed and produced the patterns to begin with.

    Every configuration of a triangular pattern requires 3 points. A triangle is a mathematical pattern which has also been translated into linguistics as the definition of a triangle.
    That is not Intelligent Design. That is a "known" mathematical expression of physical information (patterns), a natural potential.
     

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