Reality. God is Real.

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  1. Logic101 Banned Banned

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    The Zohar explains the term "Ein Sof" as follows:

    “ Before He gave any shape to the world, before He produced any form, He was alone, without form and without resemblance to anything else. Who then can comprehend how He was before the Creation? Hence it is forbidden to lend Him any form or similitude, or even to call Him by His sacred name, or to indicate Him by a single letter or a single point... But after He created the form of the Heavenly Man, He used him as a chariot wherein to descend, and He wishes to be called after His form, which is the sacred name "YHWH".[1] ”

    In other words, "Ein Sof" signifies "the nameless being." In another passage the Zohar reduces the term to "Ein" (non-existent), because God so transcends human understanding as to be practically non-existent.[2]

    In addition to the Sefer Yetzirah and the Zohar, other well-known explications of the relation between Ein Sof and all other realities and levels of reality have been formulated by the Jewish mystical thinkers of the Middle Ages, such as Isaac the Blind and Azriel.[3] Judah Ḥayyaṭ, in his commentary Minḥat Yehudah on the Ma'areket Elahut, gives the following explanation of the term "Ein Sof":

    “ Any name of God which is found in the Bible can not be applied to the Deity prior to His self-manifestation in the Creation, because the letters of those names were produced only after the emanation. . . . Moreover, a name implies a limitation in its bearer; and this is impossible in connection with the 'Ein Sof.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Sof

    So we see that God is real.
     
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  3. Enoch2 Registered Member

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    God's Name Forever: I AM THAT I AM

    “ Any name of God which is found in the Bible can not be applied to the Deity prior to His self-manifestation in the Creation, because the letters of those names were produced only after the emanation. . . . Moreover, a name implies a limitation in its bearer; and this is impossible in connection with the 'Ein Sof.'

    "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word." John 17:5-6

    I believe the above Biblical quote shows that God's Name is before the Creation and was manifested by Jesus Christ unto those whom God gave to His Son--all those who shall believe in His Name (John 3:18, Acts 10:43).

    "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." Exodus 3:13-15, my emphasis, read Exodus 34:4-8 also.

    I AM THAT I AM is the Name that means God is true and His Word is truth (John 14:6, 17:17). It means that nothing is impossible with God (Luke 1:37). Thus the only limitation it implies is the exclusion of nothing! That is no limitation at all

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    It means that Satan, who came from nothing (Job 1:7, 2:2 the question "whence comest thou?" can also be translated from Biblical Hebrew as the statement, "you come from nothing"), cannot be with God. Even though Satan is attempting to do just that, to connect himself with God, the Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8). 'Ein' is a name of satan, not God.

    And these men speak of the form of God (which they never saw, John 5:37), the sacred name YHWH, meaning I AM THAT I AM,

    The Scripture says of Jesus Christ,

    "6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Phil 2:6-11

    So He is in the form of God, which is the Name I AM THAT I AM, He is in the eternal Name of The Father, being before all things (Col 1:17).

    How could the truth of I AM THAT I AM be empirically tested (seeing as this is a science forum!)? Well, if He were to die, He would rise again if He really were.

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    Think about it!

    "1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." Heb 1:2-4
     
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  5. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    :bugeye: Really??? I can appreciate fairy tales as much as the next guy... But really??? I feel like joining the choir now... Amen. Meh.
     
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  7. Logic101 Banned Banned

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    :shrug: Yes.
     
  8. Balerion Banned Banned

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    So scripture in lieu of content is acceptable now?

    LOL.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You got that right at least. And not only non-existent but irrelevant as well.
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Mod Note

    Don't preach.

    There are distinct rules against merely "preaching" on this site. I would strongly suggest you acquaint yourself with them:


    If the purpose of this post is to declare God is real by simply rambling off passages from the Bible, then it not really a discussion but you merely copying and pasting from a book and not offering anything of substance at all except for preaching. So don't do it.

    Oh hey look.. Sockpuppet..

    Logic101 has been banned for being the sockpuppet of Nicholas1M7 - and various other sockpuppets.. Will be requesting thread closure from the moderator of this sub-forum.

     
  11. Declan Lunny Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, it is a science forum, but you still have to do your own homework. It's your proposition, so you'll have to think of way to empirically test it yourself.

    By the By: If you do think of a way to empirically test it,,,,,, will the test also apply to "I WAS WHEN I WAS" or "YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE"? Those are the ones I'm stuck on.
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Mod Hat — Closure and redirect

    Mod Hat — Closure and redirect

    We do not entertain sock puppet threads. Therefore the present discussion is closed and filed appropriately in the Cesspool.
     
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