Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by John99, Aug 31, 2009.

1. ### John99BannedBanned

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why are they spelled the same?

example:

Yes, I ____ it.

Also, I still dont understand why we need to have the question mark. What is the point. It is obviously a question. What purpose does it serve. Seems to me it is just for decoration.

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3. ### John99BannedBanned

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ah, ok. so you dont find it strange that those words are spelled exactly the same. and i have to put a question mark after an obvious question.

5. ### John99BannedBanned

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i bet no one has an answer.

7. ### EnmosStaff Member

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Correct. Does stuff like this often confuse you ?

8. ### John99BannedBanned

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doesnt confuse me at all. that isnt the issue.

9. ### Fraggle RockerStaff Member

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Unlike Italian, Spanish, German, and many other languages, English spelling has never been reformed to conform more closely to modern pronunciation. The reason of course is that British and Americans don't pronounce words the same way, and even within the UK (and to a lesser extent within the USA) there are massive pronunciation differences between dialects. So it would be hopeless to devise a "standard" spelling system.

Or as a person from Alabama would say, "Wah cain't wuy awl spail the pronaoon "Ah" the saym way?"

Even in Spanish the standard fails. Latin Americans wonder why cocer (to cook) and coser (to sew) are spelled differently when they're pronounced the same. But in European Spanish soft C is pronounced as English TH.

Our spelling is largely left over from the thirteenth century, when our words were pronounced completely differently. Long A was AH as in "father," long E was AY as in "say," long I was EE as in "beet."

The written word "lead" also has two meanings and pronunciations.
The origin of our punctuation marks is difficult to trace. But bear in mind that not all interrogative expressions are stated so clearly. "My car needs a $2,500 repair?" is not the same sentence as "My car needs a$2,500 repair."

10. ### John99BannedBanned

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thanks for taking the time to respond.

i dont know what can replace one read with.

an example:

you couldnt write 'he is well red'.

but that example looks more like a spoken word conversation as opposed to a written word one. where facial expressions and delivery are obvious.

you can, and i believe it would be more fitting, add the qualifier 'did or 'does' to the beginning so then it would read - Did\does my car need(s) a \$2,500 repair. (?)

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11. ### PandaemoniValued Senior Member

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The Read/Read distinction is just a curiosity of spelling. In fact, English had a number of words that follow similar vowl shifts as you change form:

Keep; kept
Meet; met
Feed; fed

even in other contexts there's

thief; theft
deep; depth
clean; cleanse
heal; health
feed; food
bleed; blood

12. ### Fraggle RockerStaff Member

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Many of these are what we call strong verbs in the Germanic languages. (Although those in this particular list, coincidentally, are not.)

A weak verb forms the past tense by adding -D or -ED to the verb stem, and the past participle is identical to the past tense.

wash, washed, washed
care, cared, cared
argue, argued, argued

Some weak verbs are irregular, but they can still be identified by having only a single form for the past tense and past participle, which ends in D or a phonetic corruption of it like T. Your list falls into this category.

think, thought, thought,
keep, kept, kept
feel, felt, felt,
lay, laid, laid
lose, lost, lost
leave, left, left
work, wrought, wrought ("worked" is a modern alternative)

A strong verb forms the past tense by umlauting the vowel in the verb stem, rather than adding a suffix. It forms the past participle by umlauting the vowel (often in a different way) and (almost always) adding -EN or a phonetic corruption. The key is that there is no -D added.

eat, ate, eaten
break, broke, broken
fall, fell, fallen
see, saw, seen
write, wrote, written
speak, spoke, spoken
smite, smote, smitten
rise, rose, risen
lie, lay, lain
beat, beat, beaten (no umlauting, a rarity)

Some of the most common strong verbs lack the -N in their past participles, but they're easy to spot because of the missing -D and (usually) the umlauting:

sing, sang, sung
drink, drank, drunk
come, came, come
Umlauting is a powerful force in the Germanic languages and often serves as a form of inflection to change the domain of a word (thief the actor vs. theft the act) or simply to change one part of speech to another (blood the noun vs. bleed the verb).

Notice that the inflection -TH is common for building a noun out of an adjective (or more rarely another noun or any part of speech): broad/breadth, long/length, hale/health, wide/width, weal/wealth, steal/stealth, and high/height (a corruption). Words that already end in TH just get umlauted: breathe/breath, bathe/bath, loathe/loth.