This was why I'd suggested the spoiler tags to keep the off topic flaming wrapped in those rather than being in full view. Granted, I forgot to use them myself on the last two posts... Even so, I highly doubt any member in this thread (any history notwithstanding) is deliberately keeping things off topic solely to prevent discussion of the topic. Getting caught up in arguments is too easy to do. Making your point is an impetus. To claim that anyone is deliberately keeping it off topic is frankly, paranoid.