Raising Children Without the Concept of Sin

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Goldtop, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You can run with this nonsense idea, but you cannot hide. You, along with every independent human will be judge by divine law. Period.

    Jan.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Unless we have a broken brain, or mind. Every independent thinking human knows what divine law is, so stop lying to yourself.

    Of course they are parents.
    Do you have kids?

    We consciously try to rebel against divine law.
    You know exactly what it is, but because it has the word “divine” in it, you associate it wit God, and because you have subconsciously convinced yourself that there is no God, you reject it.

    Jan.
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I’m not talking about religion.
    Why are you?
    If you want to refute me, then at least talk about what I’m talking about.

    “Original sin”, means the origin of sin, which is the idea that either there is no God, or God is under the whim of the individual, IS the cause of chaos.

    For some reason, you seem locked into the idea that people who are regarded as “ Christian”, are different to anyone else. While some may hold that they are perfect, and their religion is the only real religion of God, it doesn’t mean it is true.
    So I don’t see s persons professed religion, I tend to look at their individual character

    It is because of sin why there are laws.
    Sin begins by disobedience to God [original sin]

    Of course it does.
    Humans can be weak (increasingly so), so they pray god’s for material success, and comforts.
    They know that gods aren’t God, but they want success in this life, in this body. They are less interested in devoting their life to God, because that means restrictions.

    Jan.
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    We were discussing Adam and Eve. That's religion.
    Yup. You claim they follow certain behaviors that minimize chaos.
    Me too, which is the opposite of following a set of divine law. Religion defines these laws.
    How do you know what behavior is disobedient?
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Repetition is not support. You have not defended this unfounded assertion.

    Demonstrably false, as witnessed by most of the world.

    OK, if we're going to keep going there...
    God is an illusion that lives in your mind. Hence you are delusional.

    Jan, you are wasting screen space by simply repeating the same unfounded beliefs over and over. You don't defend them; you simply repeat them like a mantra.

    This is not your soapbox. If you're not going to engage in good faith discussion (defending assertions, eschewing ad homs), then step aside, so others can.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You don't.
    It is common, in many societies, for children to be raised by people who are not their biological parents.
    You claimed that was contrary to divine law, and chaos would result. That has not, in general, happened.
    I don't.
    Misrepresentation, personal attack based on the misrepresentation -

    the overt Abrahamic theist posts on a science forum. Why?
     
  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Jan says: "It doesn’t matter who defines divine law, nor does it matter what you call it."

    OK, then, I define God's law as send Spidergoat all your money.


    Jan says: "God knows."

    If we don't, then we can't follow it. If we do, then it's not divine.
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Just like it doesn’t

    You do know.
    Everyone knows.

    Jan.
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you think parents can only be so called, if they are biological parents?

    It’s not a personal attack.
    You are atheist, which means you can’t believe in God.

    You have convinced yourself there is no evidence for God, therefore there is no God, until such time one can be observed.
    If you are the standard by which God can or can not be shown to exist, then you have chosen to accept that there is no God (until you decide there is).

    Jan.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    By your distinguishing "their parents" (adoptive or otherwise) from the other people who raise children.
    It is. You deal in little else.
    Another falsehood.
    Another falsehood. The fundie two-step: misrepresentation, and then - - -
    - - the personal attack (assigning to me the faults of shortsighted arrogance and pride your strawman possesses).

    The first question is why. Why do the overt Abrahamic theists on this and other science forums post like that?
    The second would be, here, the illumination the answer to that would provide for understanding the influence of the concept of sin - something closely associated with Abrahamic theism - on children raise with it.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know what's in my head. You're not god.
    No, you have failed to convince me. And your evidence is crap. It would be dishonest of me to pretend you've made any sense whatsoever.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    But which one? There are so many.

    I have friends who are gay. I haven't killed them. Am I condemned to hell for breaking the divine law of Leviticus?

    I don't follow Hindu orthopraxy other than coincidentally. Am I destined for Naraka?

    I have never heeded a fatwa by the muftis. Am I doomed to spend eternity in Jahannan?

    On the plus side, I've helped out a lot of wanderers, and it was rumored that Odin often traveled in the disguise of a wanderer. So I might wind up in Valhalla - sweet!
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What is this "divine law" you keep mentioning?

    You keep saying that this or that is an example of divine law, but where is this law to be found? Is it just whatever you say it is?

    Also, about this "forcing" you mention. What is forcing anybody to operate under divine law? What does that even mean?

    As for judgment, which you seem particularly concerned about, when will that happen, according to you? And how does it work? Who is the judge, and where is the courtroom?

    This "divine law" of yours is like innate knowledge of God that you say you have, then. Is that what you're saying? It's a kind of magical sixth sense you think we all have about what God orders?

    Why? Tell me why you consciously try to rebel against divine law, Jan. Especially seeing as you're so worried about the Judgement and all.

    I thought "original sin" referred to Adam and Eve's failure to obey God's instruction not to get knowledged-up.

    Actually, Christianity is unusually preoccupied with the idea of "sin", in a way that many other religions are not. It's fair to say that "sin" is the main "problem" facing humanity, from a Christian point of view. Christianity's "solution" to the problem is Jesus's self-sacrifice, which is supposed to absolve humanity of sin.

    Other religions have different central "problems" that they identify, and different "solutions".

    There you go! You do know this stuff!
     
  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    [¡#mosh!]

    Very nearly entertainment:

    Where to start: How is it I've never realized you're a Jew?

    Meanwhile: Which law?

    And because it's not necessarily irrelevant: Would you recognize it if you were condemned to Hell?

    Not unless it turns out you are, and that wouldn't be enough to do it, anyway.

    Again, not for that. Otherwise, no, unless it happens to turn out that way.

    How is it I've never realized you're a Muslim?

    One of those unless it turns out that way, things. Meanwhile, did you ever hear the Tale of Douglas↱?

    Today's bonus, by the way, is not quite a dance party.

     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Thought the Anthrax video above was about the disease

    How dumb is that?

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And what does he do with all that knowledge?
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    God IS all that knowledge.

    jan
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I know you have to pee and poo, and I'm not in your head.

    jan
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Who told you that, God?
    God is Knowledge because it is obvious that we all pee and poo? OOOKAYYY!

    Huh.......

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