Radicalization of Young Muslims

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  1. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Just been thinking about the attacks in Paris and what is, I assume, a culture clash in Europe. It seems that most Muslims in Western societies can adapt to their host nations, and that it is the later generations who fall into radical Islamic ideology. Below is an article that briefly addresses the issue.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/syed-kamall-what-drives-young-muslims-to-radicalization-1423169290

    The author suggests that young Muslims are seduced by means of misrepresentation and the exploitation. It would seem that the community as a whole, and their own micro culture, fail to provide them with a concrete model on which to secure their identity and to incorporate both Western and Islamic thought.

    I suppose my question would be, how do we resolve this problem and bring young Muslims into the folds of our culture?
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    We don't. That's something they have to do.
     
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  5. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to be a pressing issue in Europe. They better do something soon.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    One thing we can stop doing is killing their parents, children and friends by the tens of thousands. That tends to radicalize people. Another would be to stop installing our own governments over there; being under what is effectively foreign rule tends to create reactionaries.
     
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  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Who? The majority of European Muslims are already moderate and peaceful.
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    They are radical because we support Israel and because they see us fighting Muslims (who they don't even know but identify with), like the Taliban.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agree, sort of. A great many radicals are radicals because the US has killed friends and family of theirs. Others are radicals because they are told that the US targets Muslims - and they have all the proof they need from US commentary on "what to do about the Muslim problem."
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    We do target people that happen to be Muslims, because you know, those guys are attacking us. This is all about identity with all Muslims, and secondarily the idea of an eye for an eye.
     
  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Keep in mind Islam have made attempt to invade Europe in two occasions, and they will do it now again . Now they will have a third opportunity. After 1950 started a strong migration of muslim into the west . I believe Islam will have a strong in Europe . Muslims reproduce themselves in a larger ratio the European . In Europe muslims are discriminated, so it creates hatred . I believe from Europe there are more then 6000 ISS fighters in Syria with the hopes to create a state.
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    We aren't at war with Islam, and there are no predominately Muslim nations that could invade and take over any nation in Europe.
     
  14. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I did not mean an army I meant through population growth, It does not have to be Europe at once , Thing Denmark Norway, Belgium and so on ,
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, you mean, NOT A REAL THING.
     
  16. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    I'm Danish and let me make one thing clear, timo, we're not overrun by muslims.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    It's not just that. Muslim in Europe tend to be living on or below the poverty line in many instances. Providing them with better education and employment facilities will stop them from being weak enough to attract radicalisation.

    Angry young people who don't feel as though they fit in to society are more prone to being radicalised. A lot of the radicalisation happens in prisons, where they target the young and angry and vulnerable men who feel left out and lack a sense of identity, as Kyed Kamall notes:

    The radicalizers anger the young by showing them propaganda and images of Muslims being killed by Western forces in Middle Eastern conflicts. Then they convince them that there is a shortcut to paradise by taking revenge in the name of God. We know this is nonsense. But a scared and angry young person with an identity crisis may not be so sure.

    We can see radicalization in our prison system. When gang members meet radicals in prison, they are able to supplant one gang identity or cause with that of another: violent Islamism. In this context, Islam the religion is used as a cover for gang-like behavior. For example, Amedy Coulibaly, the gunman at the Jewish supermarket in Paris, had served a prison sentence for armed robbery. He was radicalized in prison by an al Qaeda recruiter. British Islamist Jordan Horner, a convert to Islam, admitted to having radicalized other prisoners under the noses of the prison officers, who he claimed were powerless to stop him.

    To ensure that prisoners, who already possess certain personality traits, aren’t susceptible to well-trained radicals, we should think about whether those already radicalized should be segregated from the more impressionable. Maybe prison officers should have the support to spot the difference between a legitimate religious conversion and a radicalization. The two aren’t synonymous, as demonstrated by two British terrorists who were found to have ordered copies of “Islam for Dummies” before traveling to Syria. They became radicalized before they studied Islam.

    Our religious leaders must also be vigilant. The imam at my local mosque recently preached that if a cartoon offends us, our response should be to say “peace.” However, I have visited mosques in Europe where sermons aren’t preached in the local language, potentially excluding younger people or giving them only a partial understanding of what is being taught. Left confused and frustrated, they become prime targets for radical recruiters outside the mosque offering literature in the local language. Invited to meetings in the local language, they may be radicalized by being taught a wholly selective version of Islam.

    Tackling radicalization requires a great deal of work at the local level. More mosques can give sermons in the local language, giving younger people the confidence to live as Muslims in a modern Western society and respond with tolerance to anyone who may offend them.
    And they are not just targeting young Muslim men. They are also targeting non-Muslims who convert in prison and convert to their twisted views of Islam. Mubaraz Ahmed explains further:

    By the end of 2014 there were over 12,000 Muslims prisoners in England and Wales, an increase of 122 per cent since 2002, against a general prison population increase of only 20 per cent. However, the total number of individuals jailed for terrorism and domestic extremism was 183, of whom 123 were Muslim. This data shows that only around one per cent of the Muslims prisoners were convicted on terrorism or extremism charges. Nevertheless, given the rise of ISIS and its appeal in the UK, the number of prisoners on terrorism and extremism related charges is expected to rise, with a fear that prison radicalisation will proliferate.

    According to Dame Anne Owers, former Chief Inspector of Prisons, the greater focus should be on converts to Islam, who are believed to be at far greater risk of radicalisation than other Muslims. There have been a number of cases of young men, often imprisoned because of crimes committed in gangs, converting to radical Islam while in prison. Joining Islamist groups gives some of these converts the sense of comradeship and purpose that they had outside prison, contributing to these individuals being drawn into radical groups in prison. Converts to Islam are believed to account for two to three per cent of the total Muslim population in Britain, although according to research carried out by the Centre for Social Cohesion, 31 per cent of jihadi terrorism convictions in the UK between 2001 and 2010 involved Muslim converts. As a result, Muslim converts are viewed as being more likely to carry out attacks. This increased fervour stems from the perceived need to prove themselves and demonstrate their commitment to their so-called religious cause.

    The current Chief Inspector of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, believes that Muslim chaplains working in UK prisons must be incorporated and given a broader role in helping tackle prison radicalisation. Although he acknowledged the contributions that Muslim chaplains were already making, he urged greater cooperation to prevent "a vacuum for self-appointed leaders" who can intervene and radicalise other inmates. Hardwick also called for the need to distinguish between cases where increased religiosity, or the perception of it, was causing an upsurge in the propagation of extremist views and those cases where religious convictions would "reduce the likelihood of future offending"

    In 2014 Jordan Horner, a Muslim convert convicted of extremist activities, claimed that he was able convert dangerous, hardened criminals during his time in prison. Horner said that he found prisons fertile ground for his extreme understanding of Islam and suggested that prison guards were "powerless" to stop it. According to Horner, prison authorities transferred him a number of times because of the growing influence he was having on inmates, with little effect.

    This is mirrored in Europe as well. France has finally recognised that prison radicalisation is a huge problem that they must over-come. The writing was on the wall about this for a long time and until recently, it was ignored by the authorities, despite warnings from Imams who work with prisons. We have had a similar issue here in Australia, where Imams have been asking for help because young Aboriginal men are being converted and radicalised in prison and they are requesting help to try to counter it.

    Radicalisation in Europe is often linked to their prisons, where short stints for petty crimes are resulting in these young men coming out of prison converted to radical Islam. That needs to stop and frankly, the radical Muslims in prison and those who are recruiting and converting these young men need to be segregated from the rest of the prison population and those who wish to convert to Islam while in prison should be converting with an Imam instead of a fellow prisoner who has ulterior motives and who is painting Islam with an extremist slant.
     
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  18. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Yes prisons are often training grounds:
    This is not a new problem, just now more who can be subverted to violence and more anti-social "teachers" are in the prisons.

    In large part this is because times are increasingly difficult for the lower middle class - wealth is moving to the top 1%. TPTB like that. Only hope of reversing this trend, IMO, in the USA is Bernie Sanders as POTUS, and that is a slim hope indeed.*

    * Thanks to billions of dollars flowing into PACs (political action committees). US has the worst government money can buy.
     
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  19. kelkittens Banned Banned

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    I tend to see it like this, a individual thing, persona of the person behind the belief. A religion or belief can be used for good or misused by the person themselves and their mentality.
    Conversion is taking a person's weakness and using it against them, with claims while everyone else doesn't accept you , we will. Sure US has taken many lives in other countries, but it also gave these guys in Syria the weapons and means to do what they have. Why they hate American's , they attack historians and those taking photo's!!! The other countries are worse with dictation from government to people, and I don't like communist parliament such as here. Marshall law and laws in U.S. are dictorial, just the same as communist because it dictates quality control, not freedom. It preaches none discrimination in jobs and laws, but discriminates by targeting out with laws of dictation, going against and making allowences against the constitution. It is easy when an oppress people are handed weapons of convenience, or given an alternative with the promise of acceptance.
     
  20. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    American white man will not subvert , he is a slave to tech, gadget and sports. beside he is enslaved to pay his mortgage and his car payment.
    So why do you think : US has the worst government money can buy.
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    To the one, the first part of this would seem to fly in the face of observable evidence.

    To the other, you might be talking about some other aspect.

    To the beeblebrox, do I really want to know?

    As to the worst government money can buy, well, sure, for the price. Buying American politics is expensive, but in that sense it's a bad purchase; one can get a lot more bang for their buck bribing a backwater puppet.

    Seriously, you can fuck things up a lot worse, a lot faster, buying out a Baby Doc, Sam Doe, or Manuel Noriega.
     
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