Racial Divisions in the U.S.

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  1. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    The vast majority of murders in the black community, is done by other black community members, so this "sheer number" of murders done by police is actually very small. In addition to that, the vast majority of the small number are justified. This is obervable fact and easily researchable.

    A black individual of presemt day doesnot struggle in society due to his skin color. They certainly don't lose jobs for it. If they have the qualifications they succeed as any other member of society does. However, many never get qualified for higher paying jobs, because many simply don'tgraduate high school, and even fewer college. This is not racist, but another observable fact.

    No argument i have made could be used to mistreat people or enslave them. that is just your purposeful misrepresentation. I am simply pointing out facts, and then having reasonable interpretation of the facts.

    What I am doing, is showing the anger they portray is unjustified, and directed wrongly. For instance, if "black lives matter" it would stand to reason that they attack the source of the vast majority of the murders, which isnt white people or cops.

    Why should other races represent equal portions of the fire department when they dont represent equal portions of our population? They shouldn't. You are being emotional.

    Nothing i have said is racist, its simply true.
     
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  3. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    Ok mr extreme bias, heads up.

    Rodney king happened, as have other police beatings, they occur and when they do the culprits deserve punishment. However the few that happen do not at all represent any measurable scale of police bias. The over represented black population in jail is likely because they are committing the most violent crimes, as is represented in statistics. Easy notion to come by if you did an ounce of research. Also, police beatings occur in the white population as well, its not a black community only issue.

    That one study, although valid, hardly constitutes the claims it makes. The results could have been for any reason as the names were assigned at random and doesnt necessarily mean they were assigned to equal resumes. Weak.

    That is just it! Blacks often times strughle in school because of thier home life...which goes directly into the idea that thier culture is in need of change. Success, starts in the home. And yes, a black child receives the same opportunities for help from outside sources as a white child. As for help from in the home, thats not something we can fix, the family has to.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Divide and conquer.
    Smoke and mirrors.
    Misdirection.

    Give the mentally challenged something stupid upon which to focus, and they will not notice while the elites pick their pockets.

    Keep juicing the racial or religious or ethnic differences. You are doing the devil's work.
     
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  7. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    Ive already addressed these points, see above.

    Your posts ignores the vast amount of other reasons why an officer would shoot someone, and how it isnt a black only issue.

    Saying the truth does not make one racist.
     
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  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    As those who have done some research already know, that isn't true.

    Blacks are over-represented in America's jails because they have been segregated into communities in which the law is more violently and oppressively enforced, and the economic resources important for avoiding the consequences of such focused attention have been systematically excluded. This was accomplished primarily by self-described "white" men, over the past several generations.
    Nonsense. Everybody knows that is not, on average, even close to the truth.
    Until you come to grips with the implications of the fact that the US black race is a fiction, invented long ago by white men to justify and organize plantation slavery in the Americas and with no reality outside of US sociological idiosyncrasy and circumstances, you will post racist bs forever.
     
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    The law is not being enforced any differently, except likely more patrols in those areas, because surprise surprise...there is more crime. That is not racist.

    Its a statistical fact that the black community commits more violent crime, which is why they are over represented in prison. Nothing more.

    Everyone does not know that, because you are wrong. You just "feel" different, but they absolutely get the same help. It is inside the home where failure is occurring.

    The issue with these arguments are that individual isolated cases does not = to a national level issue as is normally presented as such. Every case that is linked here of police or teacher's, or anyone doing X, can be countered with the same incident elsewhere with races being the opposite.
     
  10. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Wow. I wish I lived in the dream world you live in where the police only beat those people who "deserve punishment".
    If this were the case, does this mean that you have no duty to do something to help black people?
    So now you don't trust statistics? You only trust statistics that make white people look good? That would be your racism showing.
    So being hungry is just a "culture" thing?
    Except, as the statistics show, black children are less likely to get a job. Oh, wait, you don't trust those statistics because they aren't white enough.

    But you clearly aren't willing to offer black people extra opportunities to make up for the problems that you identify within their homes. Even though you recognize a problem, you aren't going to help.
     
  11. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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  12. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    Yes another paranoid with an agenda talking.

    Yet ive shown plenty, you just refuse to see.

    Something about a pot and kettle.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Silly boy. Of course it is, and everyone knows it.
    Yes.
    No. That is not supported by the statistics. Only a small fraction of the excess black population in prison is explained by the extra violence.
    Among other places. Statistically. It is also inside the courtroom, the school, and the workplace. And it is also outside, on the public street.
     
  14. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Dude, you are the guy who only trusts white statistics.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Factually incorrect. Some examples:
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    Politifact
    Do job-seekers with 'white' names get more callbacks than 'black' names?
    By Katie Sanders on Sunday, March 15th, 2015 at 6:29 p.m.

    "Every day, a black-name resume is 50 percent less likely to get responded to than a white-name resume," Ross said. "Right? That’s everyday racism." . . .

    Our ruling

    Ross said, "Every day, a black name resume is 50 percent less likely to get responded to than a white name resume."

    A reputable study by respected economists of callback rates for resumes with white- and black-sounding names backs up this point. Ross' biggest error is his specifc phrasing, while white names were 50 percent more likely to get a call back, that means that black names were 33 percent less likely to do so.

    Ross made a mistake in his phrasing -- one that tripped us up as well. But his overall point remains valid and the study he relied on showed a sizable discrepancy between white and black sounding names.

    We rate the claim Mostly True.
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    U.S. Companies Often Assume Black Job Applicants Do Drugs
    05/07/2014 12:03 pm ET | Updated May 08, 2014

    More than any other group, black job applicants are being turned away by U.S. companies under the implicit assumption that they are using illegal drugs, according to a new study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER).

    The study’s author, University of Notre Dame economics professor Abigail Wozniak, looked at how hiring practices differ between states with laws that incentivize or encourage drug testing and states with laws that limit or do not require such testing. She found that pro-testing legislation has a “large” and positive effect on black employment and wages, especially among low-skilled black men.
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  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    3:40
    "... He wants to go and do you in
    Because the color of your skin
    Just don't appeal to him
    (No matter if it's black or white)
    Because he's out for blood tonight ..."
    ....................
     
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  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Whoa. Never thought of that wrinkle.

    I'm still anti-drug testing, but that's a pause for reflection.
     
  18. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    Already addressed this.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I was responding to your claim that "If they have the qualifications they succeed as any other member of society does." The above examples prove that they do not. Based only on their race, they are denied opportunities.
     
  20. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    And I addressed that claim already above, it simply doesn't prove anything. For reasons stayed previosly. Certainly doesnt combat the fact that many dont ever obtain the qualifications for higher paying jobs.
     
  21. Crcata Registered Senior Member

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    Double
     
  22. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Your previous reason was that, in this case, you do not trust the statistics. The inference that we should make from this is that you are racist.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Are you doing your research on science sites, like looking at university studies? Or are you simply looking at racist white supremacist sites for their "research"? Because by all looks and appearances, it seems as though you have not really read much by way of research conducted by scientists and the legal community and you are instead, being a mouthpiece for sites like Stormfront.

    I don't see how it is observable fact, when it is clearly cases of killing unarmed black men for minor crimes or no crime at all. We have seen, time and again, police officers lying (and proven to be lying when camera footage is observed) after beating or shooting black people (ie he went after my gun when camera footage shows the person running away from the police officer, who then shoots him multiple times in the back and then plants evidence) or the latest one, who claimed that the black youth in the car swerved his car and came at him in an attempt to run him down, when video footage from his own car shows the kid drive slowly past him and actually swerve away from him as to not run him down, which resulted in the kid being shot multiple times. I could go on and on. A man choked to death despite saying he could not breathe, ignored, he wasn't even resisting, a black kid thrown into the back of a police wagon which was driven so erratically, where they would stop randomly and the result was that the poor kid ended up with a broken neck and multiple contusions as though he had been beaten, his crime having looked at police and ridden his bike away, I mean, the list is never ending. You think these were justified extrajudicial killings by police?

    The large number of murders in the black community is mirrored by that of the white community. To wit, the vast majority of murders in the white community are committed by white people. As for the minute number of police killing blacks, as you determine it:

    Young black men were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by police officers in 2015, according to the findings of a Guardian study that recorded a final tally of 1,134 deaths at the hands of law enforcement officers this year.

    Despite making up only 2% of the total US population, African American males between the ages of 15 and 34 comprised more than 15% of all deaths logged this year by an ongoing investigation into the use of deadly force by police. Their rate of police-involved deaths was five times higher than for white men of the same age.

    Paired with official government mortality data, this new finding indicates that about one in every 65 deaths of a young African American man in the US is a killing by police.

    “This epidemic is disproportionately affecting black people,” said Brittany Packnett, an activist and member of the White House taskforce on policing. “We are wasting so many promising young lives by continuing to allow this to happen.”

    [...]

    Overall in 2015, black people were killed at twice the rate of white, Hispanic and native Americans. About 25% of the African Americans killed were unarmed, compared with 17% of white people. This disparity has narrowed since the database was first published on 1 June, at which point black people killed werefound to be twice as likely to not have a weapon.

    The research found that minorities make up the most number of unarmed people killed by police.. Gee, what a surprise.

    I'm sorry, but what reality do you live in?

    Do you ever leave your house? Speak to black people? Read the papers? Watch the news?

    This is factually wrong, again, and Billvon aptly demonstrates this. I take it that you did not bother to read any of the links I provided in the previous posts either, which also clearly demonstrated that you are factually wrong. I take it you failed to bother doing any reading on lack of access to education, how funding to schools in black areas are cut, how lack of education and employment opportunities exist for minorities in general and how poverty is directly connected to this?

    And once again, reverting to the same white supremacist mentality in how you argue your points by making offensive stereotypes.

    The only observable fact in this thread is your racism Crcata.

    I said, I repeat, that you are parroting the exact same justification for slavery that white slavers used to continue generations of abuse and mistreatment of blacks and minorities, not to mention the same justification was used through the Jim Crow era and continues to this day. To wit, you are merely repeating what you have learned.

    Every argument you have made in this thread is based on racist and bigoted stereotypes that have existed for centuries in your country. In effect, you are a part of the problem. Not a solution.

    And the mere suggestion that the unfair treatment by police officers that targets them specifically because of their skin colour is unjustified is simply representative of your racist and bigoted attitudes. Their protest is inherently justified.

    What you have failed to understand about the Black Lives Matter movement is that it is based on saying that black lives matter as much as that of any life, regardless of colour, especially when it comes to how the police interact with them. The BLM are about equal treatment and equal protection.

    Right.. Which makes sense that fire departments of predominately black or minority areas are full of white fire fighters, not to mention police departments?

    The fire departments in the US is renown for its racist hiring policies and racially profiling applicants to keep out minorities and women. Or are you suggesting that women do not represent equal portions of your population as well?

    Before you accuse people of being emotional, you should actually read what you post and remind yourself that it was you who advised us that you have a tendency to fly off the handle when angered (remember your OP?). We counter your racist arguments with fact. You come back with talking points that the KKK enshrine - that blacks are lazy, uneducated, violent, etc.. And you expect us to take you seriously?

    What is the truth in this thread is that you are a racist bigot. Your declaration that what you say is "simply true", despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary shows that you believe this way because you are a racist bigot who has his head so far up his.. well, so far deep in the sand to muffle out any reality that contradicts you. That is simply true.
     
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