Race is Real?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Bowser, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    You seem to have a lot of questions. I can answer all of them, please do not lie that I can't.

    The reason I didn't is because you called me a "White supremacist" and threatened to ban me. So that was the pressing issue that needed to be addressed. Are you backing off from that? Since you need to ask questions to clarify my position, am I not a "White supremacist" that needs to be banned according to you moderation policy?

    You said earlier my post was an example of White supremacy. You didn't ask me to clarify it. I have two questions which have not been clearly answered on this subject. Then we can change the subject all over the place as you seem to want to do.

    1) Was my earlier statement White supremacist?

    2) Will White supremacists be banned?
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm not arguing that race is a meaningless concept. It has great meaning, even if its entire meaning is restricted to the nature of the delusions of racial bigots in the US.

    As increasingly seems to be the case here.
     
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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it is.
     
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  7. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    I'll respond to your empty name calling after Bells answers.
     
  8. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    Lol.
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Liar. You can't eliminate culture, which is the product of racism, among other things.
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Whites and Asians aren't simply a genetic group, they are a social group. Even adoption doesn't eliminate effects of culture. How do you account for this factor? How do account for the fact that IQ isn't a real thing, no one knows for sure what intelligence is or how to measure it?
     
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You could address the non-empty matters of the non-name-calling aspects of the three or four posts and issues you have yet to address, in my posts,

    as long as you are replying at all, to them.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    For example, you could deal with the implications of this objection to your overall approach:
    No human race has been found to be a valid taxonomic category on either geneological (outdated) or genomic (the modern gold standard) grounds.
     
  13. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    I'd like to address more pressing issues first, Apparently thinking there are important genetic differeces among humanity is "White supremacism" and grounds for banning. I want to know whether your moderator really thinks that, in which case I'll bow out, or whether she's a partisan pseudoscientist.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, that is not the issue. Everyone here agrees that there are "important genetic differences among humanity", and nobody here would take that statement as any kind of supremacism.

    The issues in my posts are more pressing, then - and you are responding to my posts anyway, without dealing with their content, so - - -- --
     
  15. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    You're a liar and that's exactly what your mod "Bells" said.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And another poster starts throwing the word "liar" around.

    Lying about what? Hard to say. The question is whether this guy actually knows that
    is not the same thing as "important genetic differences between US sociological classes".

    That the one is a truism, and the other one needs a very solid argument - which in the case of racial differences, it has never found.
     
  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    That's true, there are no important genetic differences among humanity.
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    Well, from what I see, you are twisting yourself into knots to avoid answering them.

    1) Your earlier statements were white supremacism. The reason being was pretty obvious. You are arguing from the point of white supremacism.

    Your declaration that whites, for example, have superior genetic traits over "blacks" is the crux of white supremacism. Your declaration that whites and Asians have more "valuable genetic traits" than black people, is white supremacism.

    This is where white supremacists come undone. Claiming "more valuable genetic traits" and "superior genetic traits", while failing to point out what those traits are, while failing to show how those traits do not appear in other ethnic groups, while going by colour alone, shows the stupidity of the stance you are taking.

    More to the point, arguing white supremacist ideology will see you banned.

    Your challenge is to argue your point without adhering to white supremacist talking points. I have asked you multiple questions, all of which you have failed to answer and instead, you have preferred to whine about how your white supremacism will see you banned.

    This is the biology sub-forum. Instead of discussing actual biology, you are applying a rule and classification that used to be applied socially, based on classifications made of "race" that was based solely on the colour of one's skin. Which frankly, would be funny as batshit if it was not so pathetically wrong.

    Race is a social construct and does not exist in biology. I asked you to prove how "race" was biologically defined. In other words, every ethnic group, regardless of the colour of one's skin, shares traits. There are no traits that exist solely within certain groups, that cannot be found in other ethnic groups across the globe. I asked you to show, with scientific evidence and actual biology, what these traits you believe only exist in one or two groups, but not the other. You argued that those traits are somehow or other more valuable because "whites" and "Asians" have them, but you cannot tell us what those actual genetic traits are and you have yet to show how "black" people do not have said genetic traits. It's easy to make wild and stupid statements, but it is another thing altogether to prove what they are. Most importantly, you and others who believe as you do, are completely unable to prove how those genetic traits are distinct to people of a certain colour.

    2) Yes, white supremacists will be banned.

    Permanently.

    I hope that clears up your confusion.
     
  19. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    So races are equal on all traits or it's "White supremacism"? What if a Chinese man agrees race is a valid biological construct defined by ancestry (not skin color) and races differ in average (not solely in one group) genetic mental ability? Is he a "White supremacist" too?
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Are you having trouble with the word "supremacism?"
    Not at all.

    If, however, he feels that whites are superior to other races, he is a white supremacist. It's really a very simple concept that most people in the US understand. Either you are incredibly low-functioning in terms of comprehension, or you're trolling.
     
  21. timojin Valued Senior Member

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  22. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Does other ethnic groups can produce albino, or only the black group ?
     
  23. David Mendlesohn Registered Member

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    Your post is just a generic contrarian "you just don't understand", while my post exactly follows from what was said.

    "Your declaration that whites, for example, have superior genetic traits over "blacks" is the crux of white supremacism. "

    So Whites and Blacks must a priori be equal on every trait? Chinese people cannot disagree or they're "White supremacists"?
     

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