Race-based medicine

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  1. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    NEW ORLEANS -- A two-drug combination pill dramatically reduced deaths among blacks with heart failure, a landmark finding that is expected to lead to government approval of the first medication marketed for a specific race.

    Black cardiologists hailed this form of racial profiling after years in which minorities got short shrift in medical studies.

    http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=2537237

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  2. otheadp Banned

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    Americans are insane... they're going to politicize THAT? a life saving medicine?
     
  3. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    That's pretty good news. I'm sure there will be other gene-based medicine in the near future targeted towards a variety of races.
     
  4. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    So, colour is much more than skindeep afterall ? Was a bit surprised about the low nitric-oxide thing though, since nitric-oxide plays important role in maintaining a huge erection, more research needed.... :D

    ...Perhaps the amount of vasodilators has to do with being fitted for a warm or cold climate? I know that people with larger veins have less risk for frostbite (like Russians survive the winter with vodka dilator medicine), but it could be that those people would lrespire and lose more lwater in a hot climate???
     
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  5. ElectricFetus I'm just going for a walk... Valued Senior Member

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    the genetics for this specific from of heart disease is much more common in blacks then whites, that does not mean this treatment is universal for blacks and non-effective on whites: some blacks will not benefit and some whites will. Medicines should not be generalized to a population or race, but to the individual.
     
  6. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    Not to state the obvious, but clearly the black population doesn't agree with you.
     
  7. ElectricFetus I'm just going for a walk... Valued Senior Member

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    Explain?, because the article you posted seems towards what I just said and recommended that this medication be tested on whites again.
     
  8. thefountainhed Fully Realized Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly, it is not a drug that would for instance benefit blacks living Kenya more than their "White" counterparts in Spain. What you have here is a cultural trend amongst African Americans that can be traced through diet, environment, etc. Specific cultural groups as long as they are reasonably insulated exhibit health specific tendencies-- it is not a "race" drug.
     
  9. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    African americans are a race not built for the white mans fat lazy lifestyle. Whities had to ease into it, but blacks were tossed into it.
    Kind of like how aboriginals in australia can't handle booze, they'd never had a snifter of alcohol in their history and now it just absolutely destroys them physically.
    White people actually gradually evolved to be suited to the western lifestyle, just like bushmen of the kalahari gradually evolved to be suited to running oryx into exhaustion over many many miles. Throw a big white idiot into that situation and he'll die from heat exhaustion, simply because the animal he is hasn't been bred for those conditions.
    Darkie hearts weren't bred to handle mcdonalds.

    They shouldn't be fixing it, they should be waiting it out, masking the inadequacy only favours it for the future. They're encouraging heart failure to keep raising its head for generations to come.
    Sell more pills I suppose.
     
  10. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    There's a lot of illiterate bullshit being posted to this thread.

    The races are physically different. Get over it already.
     
  11. ElectricFetus I'm just going for a walk... Valued Senior Member

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    Social races like black and white and Asian, ect don't effectively quantify those physical differences, even more so those genetic differences. Biological races or breeds do not match up to well with the limited and outdated selection of social races. For example an Ethiopian and a South African are less related to each other then to a Caucasian. The vast variance genetically and physically within a socially quantified race is an obvious sign of the system outdated nature.

    Also social races have often been used to state superiority of one race over another, negating individual differences and oppressing people who don’t deserve it.

    One can state that a trait is more common with in a race for example 90% of Chinese are lactose intolerance, but you cannot make generalized statements like “All Asians are lactose intolerance” first of all that negates the 1 out of 10 Chinese this is lactose tolerant that also negate the 40% of Tibetans and 25% of Mongolians that are lactose tolerant. A statement like “On average Blacks have a lower IQ then whites” is acceptable and some controversial evidence supports that, but that should not be used to negate the fact that many Blacks have exceptionally high IQs and that man Whites have lower then average intellects.

    Finally if a heart medication is found to be more effective on average on Blacks does not mean it works on all blacks nor does it mean there aren’t many whites that could benefit form this treatment.
     
  12. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think anyone claimed that was the case.

    In fact, I think you're creating a strawman to try to make your argument seem legitimate.
     
  13. ElectricFetus I'm just going for a walk... Valued Senior Member

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    You made several generalized statements about races, so I explained why that is not correct, how is that off topic?
     
  14. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    "Off topic" is not the question here.

    Accurately representing the assertion is. You failed it.
     
  15. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    THE popular notion that skin colour can indicate physical or mental differences between groups of people has been demolished by a new analysis of the human genome, which declares race to be a biologically meaningless concept.

    Every human being shares more than 99.9 per cent of their DNA with everybody else, and the tiny variations that remain differ more within ethnic groups than between them, a major review of the evidence says.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1330502,00.html

    New analyses show humans and chimpanzees to be 99.4 percent identical in the functionally-important DNA, which codes for proteins and is shaped by natural selection.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030521092615.htm
     
  16. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    The genomic test revealed that the killer’s heritage was approximately 85 percent African and the rest Native American. That changed the focus from a white suspect to one of mixed racial heritage. Frudakis predicted that the killer would have a moderately dark skin tone.

    http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/06_03/serial.shtml
     
  17. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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  18. ElectricFetus I'm just going for a walk... Valued Senior Member

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    Well forgive me for misinterpreting your assertions you seemed rather vague and generalized in descriptions of them.
     
  19. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    You're flirting with me, aren't you?
     
  20. ElectricFetus I'm just going for a walk... Valued Senior Member

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    now who making a strawman?
     

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