"Quorum Sensing"...this is remarkable.

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A new form of chemical communication has been discovered and may well be the fundamental proto-model for the later "hive-mind" in insects, etc.
    This excellent lecture demonstrates how bacteria form sentient superstructures (hive-minds)

    Makes me wonder if we are complex patterns of simple organisms and our higher senses are all fundamentally based on the language of bacteria. We are not just hive-minds, we are a hive- organism.

    Quorum Sensing ,
    Intra- and Inter-species bacterial communication.

    An interesting phenomenon is the function of "incubation period".



    IMO, this is evidence that all functional organisms on earth are inherently sentient and posess an internal mathematical language based on chemical properties.

    After all, we are some 97% bacterial............

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    OK
    So
    If our skin is covered with symbiotic bacteria that protect us from environmental pathogens(including other bacteria and viruses),
    is obsessive washing with antibacterial soaps detrimental to our health and wellbeing?
     
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    I should think so. Bonnie Bassler notes that cleaners which are dsigned to kill bacteria, lead to resistant strains and that usually means more virulent. Armies of resistant bacteria attacking your body en masse.

    I like this concept of "confounding bacterial language", it sounds biblical.........

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    Tower of Babel?

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    wow
    If bacteria created our communication abilities and we then can constrain their language much like the tower of Babel, have we then not become the gods of bacteria?
     
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    Remains to be see if we are the gods or if bacteria are the gods. The good ones are keeping us alive......

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    With our track record, we probably will just confound the good bacteria and we become the abominations.........

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    At least, if bacteria are the gods, they use a democratic voting system. Quorum sensing. They don't act unless there is a quorum (head count) and all agree it's time for action.
     
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    speaking of bacteria
    I have wondered if the mitochondria could be considered as a bacterium.
     
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    I'm not sure. Question is if it able to intake food (energy) itself. I don't think so, but whatever we may call it, it displays a very precise organization and a remarkable functional ability to copy itself. It is normally identified as an organelle.

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    Components of a typical animal cell:
    1. Nucleolus
    2. Nucleus
    3. Ribosome (little dots)
    4. Vesicle
    5. Rough endoplasmic reticulum
    6. Golgi apparatus (or "Golgi body")
    7. Cytoskeleton
    8. Smooth endoplasmic reticulum
    9. Mitochondrion
    10. Vacuole
    11. Cytosol (fluid that contains organelles, comprising the cytoplasm)
    12. Lysosome
    13. Centrosome
    14. Cell membrane[/quote]

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion

    Seems that a mitochodrion is always part of a bacterium, but is not a bacterium itself.
     
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    If only we could claim we created bacteria. Unfortunately they appeared long before humans became available as hosts for the bacteria. Would that make bacteria our gods?......

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    In trying to reverse engineer "intelligence", I ran across these articles of note;
    Consider ;
    Cytoskeletons are formed and grown via microtubules
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X12017846

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    Cytoskeleton
    Description
    A cytoskeleton is present in the cytoplasm of all cells, including bacteria, and archaea. It is a complex, dynamic network of interlinking protein filaments that extend from the cell nucleus to the cell membrane. The cytoskeletal systems of different organisms are composed of similar proteins.

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    https://www.cell.com/trends/cell-biology/fulltext/S0962-8924(13)00169-4?script=true
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801864/

    OK, these are just some very basics. Now consider the possibility that microtubules have "quorum sensing" abilities.
    If we combine all the remarkable abilities of microtubules, are we getting close to some form of "pseudo intelligence" in microtubules?
    This might be a proto-intelligent platform, no?

    If bacteria are able to divide by means of microtubules in the mitochondria, would it not follow that microtubules have quorum sensing abilities and make up a fundamental physical sentience (information processing) in all organisms, from plant to bacterial?

    If we look at the common denominators in these examples, can we speculate that;
    A complex brain (billions of microtubules) is the result of a coordinated "quorum sensing" microtubule hive intelligence?

    Might this be Hameroff's and Penrose's mysterious ORCH-OR "wave collapse"? = "Quorum Sensing"?
    An emergent awareness?

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    Hehe, perhaps the concept of a really tiny "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is not that ridiculous......

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    says mitochondria started out as a bacterium, was eaten by an archaebacterium which could not digest it, and then they developed a symbiotic relationship.
     
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    Yes, the beginning of symbiotic cooperation at the cellular level.
    But I am particularly intrigued by the function of micro-tubules, which IMO, may be the precursor to emergent consciousness
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC345674/
     
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    Two updates on the science of "quorum sensing"

    and


    At what point does Life begin?
     
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    Where light and darkness meet.
     
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    And when there is something that reacts to the difference......

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    A beautiful example of quorum sensing in chemicals is found in this remarkable demonstration.


    and at the microbial level the human body is an entire biological system.
     
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