Questions about Immunization

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Eugene Shubert, Sep 9, 2015.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So you are a chemtrailer, an anti-vaxxer, and a truther. Are there any conspiracy theories you DON'T believe?
     
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  3. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    Trying?
     
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  5. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    I'm glad you finally included a good quote from a reputable source, Eugene!

    Condemnation without investigation is EXACTLY what most conspiracy theorists do.

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    I hope this clears the air about the contrails conspiracy, and also exactly what it is that government is SUPPOSED to do!
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    A good piece on conspiracy theorists from Psychology Today:
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    When fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."

    Although Melley doesn't present any empirical data to show that conspiracy thinking has been increasing for these reasons, some research by psychologist Jean Twenge is consistent with his hypotheses. Twenge's research examines how Americans' personality traits have been changing over the past several decades. She reviews the results of hundreds of studies published from the 1960s through the end of the century, looking at the personality scores for each year. For example, she finds that trait anxiety (or neuroticism) has been rising dramatically in both children and adults over this period.

    In another study, she shows that people have come to hold an increasingly stronger external "locus of control"; this refers to the feeling that external forces are determining what happens to you, as opposed to an internal locus of control, the feeling that you dictate your own outcomes. Twenge suggests that the stronger external locus of control reflects our ever-increasing exposure to uncontrollable events and a rise in the "victim mentality" of our culture. (Is this sounding familiar?)

    Individualistic values have also been getting stronger in our culture, with greater importance attached to personal freedoms and self-reliance. The U.S. currently ranks highest in individualism compared to all other nations in the world.

    The rise in anxiety, individualism, and external locus of control may therefore underlie the rise in conspiracy thinking. This is somewhat troubling because these personality trends show no sign of leveling off. In fact, given the current pace of globalization and the "Americanization" of other countries, it seems likely that these personality traits (and conspiracy thinking) will be increasing elsewhere too.

    But what's the actual appeal of believing in conspiracy theories? What purpose do they serve people?

    For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.

    In addition to the changes in personality, conspiracy theories are also growing more popular because of the mass media, which circulates these ideas to a wider audience and indoctrinates more believers. Plus, the sheer amount of information in today's media increases the odds that someone will detect "coincidences" or "patterns" that serve to fuel these beliefs. These trends in the media won't be reversing themselves anytime soon either.

    Does all this mean we should expect even more conspiracy theorizing and paranoia to come? Will conspiracy theories ever become a dominant ideology in our culture the way scapegoating sometimes is in other cultures?

    It's not clear whether we've reached any sort of tipping point yet. But if polls are any indication, the events of 9/11 may have transformed conspiracy theories from "implausible visions of a lunatic fringe" to a mainstream response to the most disturbing of events.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...iracy-theories
     
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  8. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not a confident chemtrailer. I just think that http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ is a credible challenge.

    I most certainly don't believe in the official, government approved conspiracy theory:

     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Pilots, doctors, and scientists can be irrational too.
     
  10. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Eugene, I'll be the first to admit, ignorance is essential to intelligence. Each and every second we are alive, we pay attention to things that affect our survival (strange odors or noises like gunshots, seeing predators in close proximity, feeling bad or experiencing an unusual pain near a vital organ), and IGNORE ten or a hundred times as much stuff that does not usually impact our survival.

    Since no one here can afford the time to track down and refute every one of the outlandish claims made by conspiracy theorists on every subject imaginable, a useful expedient is to simply ignore what they are saying, and listen to someone who can substantiate that what they are telling us isn't something they made up or are lying about doing exhaustive research. Dr. Blalock simply passes on anecdotal reasons not to get vaccinated. The pharma companies are getting too rich. The government does not have our best interests at heart, are poisoning us and wreaking havoc on the environment because there is no one to stop them.

    I don't have the time to deal with such nonsense, and I'm fairly certain the conspiracy theorists did not go to great pains to triple check their facts before announcing them to the world. If they did, they wouldn't wind up in the pages of Encyclopedia of American Loons. And by the way, your switching to a like-minded UK researcher with similar attitudes about vaccinations does not make me any more inclined to investigate whatever he may be saying that is different from the BS Blaylock puts out.

    You probably watched the Glenn Beck show on Fox with wrapt attention too, am I right? Did you watch the episode of The View where Beck got nailed for not checking his facts? "I'm an entertainer", he says, "I don't make better ratings for my show by checking facts." This is the mentality of most conspiracy theorists, in actual fact.

    Occasionally, folks most of us don't usually think of as lunatics wind up on the pages of Encyclopedia of American Loons also. Oprah Winfrey and Ray Kurzweil are just two examples, but if you read about what it is they claimed, you will understand that they more than qualify by anyone's definition of a loon.

    If you don't want to be fed a steady diet of misinformation and conspiracy theories, the only thing you must do is, like Jeanine Garafolo's comedy routine says: "Be a little more particular about what it is you consume or otherwise put in your various orifices (eyes, ears, nose, whatever)." If you don't give a fuzzy rat's bh what goes in there, don't expect good results.
     
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  11. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    You live a very sheltered existence. And like you, most military personnel are very obedient. Nevertheless, there are disturbing reports and chemical analyses that find harmful toxins in rain water, eyewitnesses to the same nefarious chemicals on military bases, and courageous individuals that are speaking out.

    See, for example, High mobility of aluminium in Gomati River Basin: implications to human health
    https://chemtrailsplanet.files.word...-river-basin-implications-to-human-health.pdf

     
  12. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Is Your Government spraying you with Aluminum, Barium and Strontium?

     
  13. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    I think someone has been spraying you with a full can of "critical-thinking-B-gone".
     
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  14. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    “Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.” – Albert Einstein
     
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  15. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Then why don't you try investigating instead of swallowing whatever BS you find on crackpot conspiracy theory websites?
     
  16. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Unquestionably, it doesn't take any independent thinking to check Wikipedia and http://americanloons.blogspot.com and to believe everything written there.

    Consequently, for all my bigoted critics with indisputably narrow minds, I recommend that they all mark their calendars for September 24, 2015. They'll want to hear the master conformist to prevailing traditions, the pope, speak to Congress on that day.

     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Are you aware that they are watching you right now? Through your computer? They know your thoughts. The chemicals they spray on you allows them to penetrate your mind.

    The 'chemtrails' are really just there to hide the presence of Government drones, that are following your every move. Immunisations are really just tags that allows the Government and organisations to track your every move, not to mention they contain nano probes that attach to your brain so they know your every thought.

    There is a terrific way to protect yourself from this..

    Just stop breathing in.
     
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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    What conspiracy do you feel that will support?
     
  19. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    There's no limit to what you can be manipulated to believe, since you already believe the ludicrous, official, government-approved, 9/11 conspiracy theory.

     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You didn't answer the question. Is that you don't know which conspiracy theory that the Pope's speech will supposedly support? If so, do a little more research before posting!
     
  21. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Prophecy will be fulfilled regardless of your personal adoration of the Master Assimilating Chameleon.
     
  22. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    No matter what side of the debate you are on, How can you not love this video?!!
     
  23. Eugene Shubert Registered Senior Member

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    Don't you understand that this video is making fun of the believers in the ludicrous, official, government-approved, 9/11 conspiracy theory?

    I do not profess to know what the blind admirers of prevailing popular opinion think.
     
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