question always asked... where is/was god

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  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Because there are numerous stories in the Bible of God coming to the aid of people or getting revenge for something.
     
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  3. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    bc they are stupid.
    I dont blame god,It doesnt exist.
    If it did and created ALL..youd have NO free will.as everything would be predestined,
     
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  5. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    on the contrary it just requires that certain thing be limited (like say the capacity of the living entity to control things) and operate under certain systematic conditions (such as results being consequences according to action) in order for a god (with free will) to establish other living entities (with free will)
     
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  7. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone seen the 97' movie devils advocate? Great lines. Talks about god. Says he IS a prankster. And here are some other good lines I think fit into the thread.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Advocate_(film)

    http://www.grumpychimp.com/quotes/the-devils-advocate-quote.php

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0118971/quotes
     
  8. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    spidergoat,

    1. If there are such numerous stories then why ask question.

    2. For a description of the difference between the body (earth) and the spiritual soul (God's part and parcel), how they
    come to be, and interact together to form a ''living soul'', I suggest you read genesis 2.

    jan.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    spidergoat,



    ...also,

    1. (word of the LORD

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    Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine.
    Ezekiel 18:4

    2. Because man goes to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets; before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it

    jan.
     
  10. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Jan thanks for your posts.

    Although I don't think you will sway a atheist like spidergoat much.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Because, my dear, you suggested that God isn't involved in any daily physical aspect of our lives, only involved in some cosmic sense with our souls. No doubt this was an effort to avoid having to justify the concept of god as outlined in the Bible, who at one point sends a bear to maul a bunch of wisecracking kids who insult Elijah.

    I see a description, but anyone can write such a thing. Are these verses supported by any internal or external evidence?



    I don't think there is any truth to that.
     
  12. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Very beautiful.
     
  13. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    To be owned? You like being a slave?
     
  14. Balerion Banned Banned

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    This would support Hitchens' theory that religiosity is the desire to be a slave.
     
  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Pre-destination suggest Know entity, not lack of freewill.

    Make choices along the way, yea?
     
  16. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    You atheists are talking nonsense. I desire meaning. I desire sacredness. Atheists routinely destroy those things.
     
  17. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    short answer:
    if they cant blame anyone else, and dont wanna blame themselves..who is left?
     
  18. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies... For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver but with the precious blood of Christ..."



    After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him...When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them. You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet."

    Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus: Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had come as a man in His external form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-- even to death on a cross.
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    It's His (God) own example we follow and there is no shame in it! Rather, great honor and privilege. It looks shameful from the perspective of this place where everything is distorted and false...where all manner of evil currently holds sway. This state of things is passing away--and all of you with it, should you fail to repent.

    It does nothing of the sort. It's the desire to be like the One Whom we adore (to Whom all Glory and Honor will be given). The ultimate paradox, and a testimony to the foolishness of human 'wisdom'/understanding/. Also a hint as to who's slaves you in fact are.

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  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Because he is by definition CEO and founder of Universe Inc. Everything that happens on his watch, assuming he is even watching, is HIS responsibility. This becomes even more the case when you have omnipotent powers and total knowledge of everything that has happened and will happen. He's the guy in charge. He can do anything. But he doesn't. The universe behaves exactly like there was noone in charge at all and that it is all up to chance. And talk of freewill is irrelevant. What, God must respect the freewill of that a-hole shooter to murder at will while totally ignoring the freewill of the 26 people he killed? That doesn't sound very fair to me. One person's choice to kill outweighs the choice of 26 others to live their lives in peace and happiness? Even theists admit God can intervene and stop death. But he didn't. He doesn't. And he never will, because frankly, he just doesn't exist.
     
  20. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe the thing to look at is not a who. The weather, nature, the right thing worth blaming. there is always something. Even taking responsibility, god should not be to blame for most things.
     
  21. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    He didn't intervene in the death of His own Son...He knows what He is doing and why He does or allows anything. For those who love Him, and are called according to His purposes, one can find rest even in apparent tragedy. Faith bridges the knowledge gap. His Word tells us that we will in fact know the answers we crave and which perplex us now. He is not CEO...they are accountable, He is accountable to no one--including even you.
     
  22. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Think of this.

    you are in charge. Why would you control everything? And not grant free will?
    Say a business. You hire and fire. But as long as the corporation keeps going. Why would you interfere?

    Since Adam was deceived and ate the apple. The world has had a bigger plan. We were given free will. And in the End Times. As laid out vaguely in revelations. Heaven is being prepared for those who are saved. And satan will be thrown in the lake of fire.
    A battle of sorts must wage.
    And we have to be given free will.
     
  23. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    For the record, Adam was NOT deceived--Eve was. Adam ate willingly... of his own free will , despite knowledge to the contrary concerning his action. Since then, free will has been displaced by self will, a merciless, incompetent tyrant.
     

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