quantum , electromagnetic or magnetic field

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  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Word salad again.

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    No it didn't.
    It showed there was a nucleus. Which turns out be consist of uncharged neutrons and positively-charged protons. The charge was what deflected the helium atoms being "fired" at the atom.
    Try this.
     
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  3. river Valued Senior Member

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    interesting though , ( I did read it ) is this

    interesting
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nice diversion...
     
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  7. river Valued Senior Member

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    perhaps , but you do the same

    and you do see my point

    but lets think upon what I'm trying to say , shall we
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Where?

    Er, what point? That you were wrong?

    So far you've managed word salad, false claims and a wonderful display of ignorance.
    Do you have anything more?
     
  9. river Valued Senior Member

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    no

    that there is a electromagnetic field that is present within the atom , that is I/3000 of the diameter of the atom
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And your actual point would be...? What?
    You claimed (and attempted [with your your Rutherford mention] to substantiate) that, and I quote, "atoms have a solid center".
    Which is not the case.
     
  11. river Valued Senior Member

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    it is a solid , you have also spin and vibration thats a part of the atom as well

    my point is that the electromagnetic field that gold produced to cause deflection , is beause of the movement , of the field within the quantum of the atom
     
  12. river Valued Senior Member

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    just to reiterate , my post #2

    that is significant info

    it should tell us that something physical is happening

    and if some suggest quantum gravity , not good enough

    since this does not show any understanding of the dynamics of , electromagnetic , spin and vibration within the atom on the quatum scale
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.

    So what?

    Er, so why did you claim it's solid? These are two separate phenomena.

    And your understanding would be...?

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    Still no closer to reality.
     
  14. river Valued Senior Member

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    because spin and vibration have consequences within the atom ,

    we know both exist within the atom because it has been detected

    both are therefore a form of energy

    think three dimensionally
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No they aren't.

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    Word salad again.
    Why don't you try actual thinking?
     
  16. river Valued Senior Member

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    is this kind of disussion , commentary all we have left on this subject

    I should hope not

    there should be a few who are at least trying to understand what I'm saying

    I would like to here from them

    No they aren't.



     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I understand what you're saying.
    Unfortunately what you ARE saying is either wrong, word salad or plain ignorant.
     
  18. river Valued Senior Member

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    just step outside the box for a bit D

    if you truly understand what I'm saying , then discuss with me , rather than throwing insults
     
  19. river Valued Senior Member

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    my thinking is perhaps new to many

    just think further upon what I'm thinking

    and when you do tell me what you think
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    This is incorrect.
    As we have seen, your "thinking" is based on misunderstanding and ignorance.

    I've already told you: you're way off and have not one shred of supporting evidence.
     
  21. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Who are you on other forums?
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    What?
     
  23. river Valued Senior Member

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    nuclear fusion

    it breaks the quark attraction and hence gives off an enormous amount of energy , within each atom

    the quarks move out , beyond the strong attraction which lets in other quarks of the same

    hence heliem , a heavier , element than hydrogen , because it has more quarks within it

    but this is just the surface energy potenial of qantum energy
     

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