Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by James R, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Ah, the disinformation conspiracy. Wheels-within-wheels.
     
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  3. river Valued Senior Member

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    Conspiracies is about information . Given and not given .

    Redacted papers is clear evidence of secrecy , hence the fundamental base of conspiracies .
     
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  5. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    If you say so. But no serious conspiracy was ever out by conspiracy buffs. They can't do the work. Too hard, takes too much time.
     
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  7. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Not all conspiracy theorists or theories are wrong. The fact is there are way more conspiracies than people will ever realize or know and this is because the nature of how people manipulate is so detestably low and people generally think that society runs on 'constructive' motives, thoughts and actions when that is not true. For instance, as bizarre as it was, my family members used me to stand behind like i was their buffer. it's really infuriating how hideously slimy nature really is and works. it's like i was the target of every negativity, blame, scapegoating etc that they were guilty of yet it was directed at me. literally, like the forces were operating that way to favor them but i would have been okay with that if they were better or good people but they were horrible scum!! they were really secretly very cowardly actually but still extremely aggressive and egotistical. it was as if their kind in the world didn't want to admit the uglies of their kind which they support which are covertly people like them so they shifted that blame and ugliness onto me. they also inherently believed they 'owned' this world/universe/god etc. i mean, it was a general attitude that is primal. people's nature and how nature responds is an indication of the true nature of the universe itself and since it favors this, at least secretly, it proves what the true face of this universe really is. it's as if scum believe they are the best which is the most bizarre thing i have noticed about people. not everyone uses their brains in ways that society naively thinks others do as in moral and 'normal'. most of it is undetectable to others in the way people manipulate nature and horrendously immorally and pervertedly. and they were also really gross and ugly in nature. i remember that woman (mother) believing she was the most beautiful woman yet she was ugly as hell both on the outside and the inside. i could understand if she was good on the inside but she wasn't even that! she was such an ugly monster, that it's offensive testament and mirror of this universe to produce such lifeforms, besides the rest of her family, friends and her like which evidently were the majority!

    this universe is so nasty, ugly, stinky, disgusting, rotten, putrid, dishonest, corrupt, evil, lame and that is what lifeforms are underneath. this universe should have never existed and shouldn't exist at all. it evolves through evil and dishonest deeds itself.

    i hate humanity. humans have disgustingly ugly hearts. it's like if you look too close, you'll see shit there which they revel in and try to promote and they will secretly try to undermine good if they can't use it or take advantage of it. organic lifeforms are disgusting period.

    the contemptible problem with this universe which will never go away because it a root issue is that scum will always favor it's own kind and values. furthermore, it is the root/base of existence at least in the design here. this is why, again, it's evident in society that the negative, perverse, low nature evolves in tandem and is passed on even genetically besides just socially.

    for instance, i was often violently ridiculed by the stepfather and was given nasty lectures on why his wife was a better woman than me but the lame and disgusting motive for that was because i was not his wife and he was attracted so the intent was to tear me down so there was nothing to be envious of etc. the weird part was i was not trying to show i was better than her as i was just trying to be my own person. but she was jealous of me for some vague and sneaky reasons, that made it even creepier and dangerous so she would sick him on me too. you see how good nature is? that's just one of countless examples of the filthy ugly hearted motives people have and too many ugly incidents like this to reiterate them all. of course, most of these go on behind walls, away from public knowledge, not so much because others are better, but because (i have found) it protects society from it's own truth of it's own collective guilt and sins and so the scum in the world can keep believing eachothers acts. ironicly, i discovered overall it was their extreme selfishness that was appealing to others, general public, because secretly that's what they are, at least the majority. you know, proud of themselves and think they deserve it all and to be over others for being evil shit underneath. especially the type who step on others to reach the top. they know and 'sense' eachother's kind.
     
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  8. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's the most conspiracy theorist have. Not at all original.
     
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    just because you haven't been a victim of a conspiracy, doesn't negate their existence! just as you will not experience or know of every occurence or happening behind closed doors just like all illegal gambling halls. it also doesn't have to be original to be real or true because it's not a contest of originality (duh?) but what actually people do which is not often what is termed 'normal'. but that's the lie society tells itself that people are generally 'normal' as in good, ethical, neat etc in their motives, thoughts and actions. that's the most common bizarre lie and the conspiracy of cover-up, for society's own ego itself.

    notice the bolded part. it speaks the truth.
     
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    i would even go as far as to say emphatically that society is predominantly a conspiracy of lies. just take a look at the debates in politics subforum which is pollyanna stuff compared to the worst conspiracies people do. you would have to understand the reality of deep web shit which the customers are also your churchgoing neighbor, 'normal' coworker etc. that's the point, the lie is the assumption that these people are 'out there', must be different and can be differentiated from the rest of society when the truth is they are the common people. hello? shocking? just like laughable and bizarre reddit confessions which are also your common, regular folk.

    of course, this was all anonymous. i was reading this one thread and this woman was talking about how she was having sex with her son but she didn't want anyone else to know. another man was saying how he fucked his grown daughter when he visited them on vacation. ya know, to visit his son-in-law and grandkids etc and it just went on and on with many others confessin the sick shit they do or engage in or have done with the thread starter even encouraging that it's okay but i bet you they would say the opposite in public in person as in when they are not anonymous. Meaning the 'typical' lip service of horror and disdain of such actions and the whole nine: act, attitude, appearance and all. lmao.

    and i bet a dollar to a donut, these people are just your everyday people, considered moral and especially 'normal' or to put it bluntly, not like that at all. LMFAO!
     
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  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    probably because you are one of 'them'. :chortle:
     
  13. birch Valued Senior Member

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    the op is missing the other half of the picture and that is though to assume a conspiracy may be paranoia, it is true conspiracies are afoot all the time, individually as well as to government level. even the gov't could not account for hundreds of millions that was lost. do you think there was no conspiracy there? of course there was because that much doesn't just disappear by getting lost in the sofa. somewhere up or down the chain, a conspiracy was going on.

    every type of conspiracy that could be imagined and even unimagined occurs. that's why it'a conspiracy, it's not to be known. duh?

    but this is guaged by the awareness of the typical avenues such as hired hitmen, money laundering, drug smuggling, human trafficking, pedophile rings, identity theft, credit card fraud etc.
     
  14. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    The real conspiracies were never outed by conspiracy nuts. That's the point you're missing.
     
  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    who cares? conspiracies are still real. duh?

    just like in my area, apparently human trafficking is a major problem but there is absolutely no outward indication of it. the police have uncovered it and there are organizations starting up to try to tackle the problem. yeah, conspiracies are definitely real.

    to be naive as to the evil capability of humanity so as to paint a prettier picture of organic disgusting organisms and their base desires, lust, abject cruelty, selfishness and other assorted perversions is bordering on stupidity, especially as an adult which has no excuse to have idealism about the world.
     
  16. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    We were talking about conspiracy theorists until you started losing.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    losing what? if you don't look beyond the surface, you will not notice anything but that's a flimsy thin veil of society. that veil exists for a purpose and that is to shroud much of the truth of the nature of people. yeah, that's right, don't look too close as you will not like what you find out which is the truth. that's how most people live and that is they literally 'act' for eachother in order to keep perpetuating an idea/veneer of a certain society, not the actual one. while they are acting, their base urges are on the hunt or waiting for an opportunity for a victim that may not be so important to this game of 'pretend we are normal' people play.

    just to illustrate the truth of where we actually exist and here is the math (shit universe=shit planet=shit lifeforms=shit society), the deep web is over 500 times larger than the surface web. the deep web is over 96 percent, while the surface web is only about 4 percent. so cannibals, child porn, smut films, human and animal torture, hired hitmen, credit card theft, drug and human trafficking/buying/selling, organ theft as well as purchase is a reality etc, should i just keep going? and that's just some of what is known. where do you think these site owners and customers exist at? in a cave or under a rock? some weirdo on the street? nope. they don't even have the basic skills to use the fuking internet or the money.

    what people don't admit is that these people have alternate 'normal' lives with friends, family, spouses, children, careers etc. they are 'society'. they are in it completely, not some estranged people that one can easily notice and point, 'look at that weirdo'. that is the lie. they are you and you and you. they are your co-worker you chat up everyday, they are the ones sitting next to you in a church pew. they are the ones at your pta meeting. they are the ones at their kids soccer practice etc.

    what i find ubiquitous even about the net is that it illustrates and even coincides along a pattern of the 'act' of people in public versus their real self behind closed doors. interesting how these patterns just seem to match up. coincidink? lol. the surface is clean and shiny while underneath it could be rotten, perverse or depraved. most people have quite a few dirty secrets, either done to them or done to others or in other words, someone they felt they could get away with doing something to.

    now, let's move on to so-called "regular" society (yeah, with a straight face trying not to smirk): then there is the usual domestic and child abuse, greed, cheating, lying, prejudice, slander, gossip, petty crimes, bribery, illegal gambling, prostitution and alcohol and drug abuse problem that pervades all levels of society. besides, all the fake people in the world?

    then there is just the shitty politics of government and corporate fraud. on a lighter note, i constantly need to update my antivirus and malware because people are so good/trustworthy and pollyanna in this world.

    with all this, you think someone who tends to think conspiracies are afoot are the ones who are unrealistic? LMFAO. LMFAO. LMFAO.
     
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  18. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Gotta love the kooks out there.
     
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    keep telling yourself that convenient lie and deny, deny, deny. if you close your proverbial eyes, the pretense is the only reality you will notice.
     
  20. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Odd, you speaking of reality...
     
  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    be careful with me, i'm good at sussing out/reading people. there are two main types of people who have your reaction to this type of info. either the ugly or horrible truth scares them OR they are the ones who are perpetrators as in indulge in something shady themselves, so of course, the veil of society is what they want to perpetuate not for themselves but to hoodwink and keep others in a false sense of security and reality. dig?
     
  22. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's what the "reality" thing meant.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    birch:

    How you view society in general depends, I think, on whether you're an optimist or a pessimist about human nature.

    Speaking for myself, I try to be a realist as much as possible. I'm quite evidence-focussed (look at the signature at the bottom of all my posts). And my personal default setting is probably a tempered optimism, most of the time.

    Everybody is self-motivated to a greater or lesser extent. Everyone is, to a greater or lesser extent, happy to take what they can get out of society. Some people go the extra step of being willing to trample on other people to get what they want; if others suffer for their benefit, then so be it. We hear a lot about those kinds of people in the news. But I think the news gives us a distorted perspective on society as a whole. Altruism and good deeds generally don't lead the headlines. Those spots are usually saved for tales of killing, disaster and injustice.

    The universe as a whole is uncaring about individuals. To put it another way, it is impersonal, and therefore neutral. Bad things happen to good people about as often as good things happen, if it is left to impersonal forces to make the decisions. In the face of this, I don't find it at all surprising that so people many turn to ideas like karma or divine justice in the hope that there will be some "fair" reckoning in the long term. Such ideas can give hope where there is little to be had otherwise. Whether they are false hopes is a different debate.

    You can concentrate on half the picture, or try to see the other half as well. I understand this can be hard.

    The universe can also be forgiving, beautiful, fragrant, enticing, wholesome, honest, fair and good, and so can people.

    Look at my list in the opening post. The issue is not that conspiracies sometimes happen, but that some people see conspiracies everywhere - even when there are none. A lot of things that happen in the universe are essentially random, but it is a human trait to see a plan nonetheless. And as for what people do, most people are not masterminds. Most of the time, I think, most of us are too busy worrying about ourselves to find time to plan and execute grand conspiracies against others. As a rule of thumb, I try never to put something down to a conspiracy where an explanation involving simple incompetence or human fallibility will suffice.

    I'd say people are generally just people. Sometimes they are good, ethical, neat etc., and at other times their behaviour is less than good, ethical, neat. Most people aren't especially evil; a few undoubtedly are. Similarly, most people aren't faultless paragons of virtue; we tend to notice the exceptional ones who do better than average.

    I think that's a very pessimistic outlook.

    You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. Especially when it comes to sex, there is a lot of twisted fantasy out there. There are a lot of messed up people. But yes, there are a few monsters, too.

    May I ask what area you're referring to, roughly speaking?

    Society is a contract that allows us to live together and get on with each other, most of the time. We give up some of our personal freedom in exchange for protection from the excesses of those who would otherwise take advantage of us.

    The deep web includes all content that is not indexed by regular search engines. That includes things like online banking information and the like. Services like Netflix are technically deep web, because they can only be accessed if you sign up to them and pay to access their content.

    A small part of the deep web is the dark web, which consists of sites that are deliberately hidden so as not to be accessible to standard search engines and browsers. The dark web is where a lot of illegal activity goes on - media piracy, illegal sales of drugs, illegal pornography etc.

    The truth is, they are a small minority of "society".

    And then there are the many people who love their children and care for them, who volunteer, who are generally honest, tolerant, generous, law-abiding, tax-paying, drug-free, etc.
     

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