Psuedoskepticism vs scientific skepticism

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Apr 24, 2016.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and just a few posts ago, you mocked that as a preconception.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I said it was an assumption you made. And so it is.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You're OK with when it suits your purpose. That's hypocrisy.

    How do even you know what the paper says? It's too boring-ass for you to read.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! Uh yes..I'm ok with alot of science. And I already posted that I read magazine articles on science. Are you so desperate to catch me in some inconsistency here that you are forgetting what I posted? Calm down and quit acting like a petty little child.
     
  10. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Not "the", "a". And no, it doesn't. It makes it one of several possible hypothesis. In either case, again, you won't find anyone here who unreasonably accepts it. So it doesn't help your argument.
    And yet I've told you explicitly on several occasions that I do believe aliens exist. How do you reconcile that? Even if you think I'm lying about my own beliefs, the fact remains you've never once hear me claim that aliens do not exist.
    I don't know. You seem to have a very hard time saying explicitly what you mean. I think this is on purpose. I think you know that you are stuck in your own logical trap. In either case, since you haven't provided anything for anyone to unreasonably deny, your OP's premise is false.

    So I repeat:
    So it is clear, then: we know UFOs are craft created by superintelligent nonhuman beings (aliens). That's your real position, right?
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Then "anyone here" doesn't know much about the field of earthquake lightning or aren't up on the latest research in this field.

    You deny ufos are as I have defined them. That is your faithheld belief. Believing aliens exist somewhere in the universe is irrelevant.

    I just provided that statement. UFO's are a known and evidenced phenomenon. Are you reading impaired?

    No. I said they show the characteristics of being such. And no, I never said they were necessarily aliens. Based on what we know about ufos, they are only superintelligent nonhuman beings. They could be interdimensionals or time travelers for all we know.
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Compunding the hypocrisy. You rail constantly about others insulting you - that it is never OK to do - yet you have no problem casting insults yourself.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Act like a sane mature adult then. Is that really so hard?
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    How could they be from another dimension yet not be alien? Alien by definition means not of Earth.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I already quoted that definition for you. Creatures from outer space. Try again? lol!
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Let me get this straight.

    You have chosen a definition (one of many available) that specifies they are "from outer space". But you see it as the definition, and hold it as a satisfactory and exhaustive definition, meaning it covers all conditions - including alternate dimensions. Therefore you infer that creatures from an alternate dimension do not qualify as alien.

    Just making sure I've got clear what you're saying.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right. It's the standard term in our culture and in movies for creatures from outer space. Everyone knows that. It never refers to interdimensionals or time travelers. Capiche?
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nice. You cut off your own quote. Something you have accused other of doing to twist words.

    That definition you posted actually says "Creatures from outer space; extraterrestrial".
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You're talking tongue-in-cheek now. You don't seriously hold such a view.
    And you're certainly not serious about introducing what happens "in movies" as a basis for your assertions. That would be debate-suicide.

    Especially since your own quote, posted above (without your deliberate truncation) shows you directly and explicitly contradicting yourself.

    You almost had me thinking you were earnest there for a moment.

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  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right..I'm totally lying that aliens means "creatures from outer space" even though I just quoted it from the dictionary and that's how the term is always used in our culture and in movies. (cue theme to the twilight zone.lol!.)

    Look..I already told you to stop with this petty shit of trying to back me into a corner. Either discuss the topic like a sane mature adult, or get ignored. It's your choice.
     
  21. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    What I wrote was: "I doubt that any evidence will ever prove the existence of something in a logical apodeictic sense." 'Apodeictic' means necessarily true, absolutely certain, beyond dispute.

    http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405106795_chunk_g97814051067952_ss1-168

    I'm not convinced that any evidence can totally eliminate all possibility of drawing a false conclusion.

    No matter how weird they look, they might conceivably not be extraterrestrials at all. All we would have is Obama's word on what they are. Maybe he is mistaken about their nature, or maybe he is intentionally trying to mislead us. So this one sounds like an appeal to Obama as an authority figure.

    I don't think that the relevant variable is how unexpected or seemingly unlikely the evidence is. Nor is the relevant variable the perceived authoritativeness of the information source. It's how well the evidence implies one single conclusion without being susceptible to dramatically different interpretations.
     
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  22. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    It looks like Obama's about ready to drop a big juicy kiss on the alien's lips... except that the alien doesn't have any lips. Obama's probably pleased that the aliens blew up Congress. Alien: "Aaaa! Aaaa! Aaaa!" Obama: "Aaaa! Aaaa! Aaaa!"

    Obama might be an alien himself. I've always suspected as much.
     
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  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    If only we had a video of this to post here. Dave would be totally convinced that ufos are real!
     

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