Proposal: That sex without consent is always rape.

Discussion in 'Formal debates' started by James R, Jul 7, 2008.

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I would like to challenge angrybellsprout, Randwolf, Kadark, either singly or in combination, to debate the above topic.

    I will argue the affirmative side; they will argue the negative - i.e. that in some circumstances (which they may specify) non-consensual sex does not amount to rape.

    If I am to debate more than 2 opponents, I would prefer to have at least one other person on my "team" - perhaps Bells.

    As a starting point, I suggest we use the standard debate rules in the sticky thread at the top of the Formal Debates subforum.

    The current thread is for agreement and negotiation of participants and the debate format. I am open to changes in the format and/or participants.

    Please post here if you wish to participate.
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i will be on your side if you want james

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  5. draqon Banned Banned

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    think about what James R. is proposing...think of all the consequences.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The Standard Rules for debates are [thread=76020]here[/thread]. At this stage, I contemplate a "Team" debate, but if there is only one person willing to argue for the Negative, I suggest the individual debate rules ought to apply.

    Also, if my potential opponents think a change in the wording of the topic is desirable, please suggest an alternative.
     
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    draqon re read the question, its gender netural which has been my only complaint in the threads for umm the last WEEK.

    Plus i have the legal litricture in my history page

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  9. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    It's awfully hard to know what side I stand on without knowing your exact definitions of "consent" and "rape".

    These terms, even in law, are ambiguous at times and many academics and lawyers have made them even more ambiguous.
     
  10. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    I pick Randolf , Kadark team if they want me.
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    I am most likely on JamesR. team...but I need some more viewpoints on what exactly he means by that bold statement.
     
  12. draqon Banned Banned

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    yea well if they are so ambigious...somehow statistics-wise men get to go to jail for rape neverthless...and not the women.
     
  13. Kadark Banned Banned

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    Out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to call out the three of us specifically? If my elephant memory is serving me correctly, I recall quite a few people disagreeing with the supposed "rape" scenarios that you outlined in the poll you created. The only people to agree with the statements fully were you and that shichimenshyo guy. Truth be told, debating about what constitutes rape isn't a hobby of mine, nor do I care to discuss it at length (as in a formal debate). Maybe I'll change my mind later, but at 1:30 AM after an exhausting day, I'd rather not participate.

    Kadark the Lion
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Count me in if it's a team debate.

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    If it is to be an individual debate against only one individual, the floor's all yours. I'll watch and cheer from the sidelines.

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  15. draqon Banned Banned

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    yea well Kadark, JamesR. current time is not 1:30 AM, its full day for him.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actually its 2:04 pm here

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    and as i THINK james is on the east coast it would be 2:35

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  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Note that I have specifically challenged angrybellsprout, Randwolf, and Kadark.

    If none of these is willing to participate in this debate, then there's probably little point in going ahead with it.

    At least two of them are aware of the challenge.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Because you share the most archaic views about rape and you were the most outspoken in the thread that prompted my challenge.

    You may gather supporters if you think you may be unable to sustain your argument without help.

    The debate involves one post from you every three days - not a big strain.

    I think you're just afraid to take the challenge and stand for what you believe.

    But, that's fine, of course.
     
  19. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    No they won't. At least I won't. Non consensual sex is rape. Maybe you were not paying attention, James R. I challenge you to find a post of mine that alleged nonconsensual sex was endorsed. My issue lies in the definition of consensus.
     
  20. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    You don't even know what you are agreeing to here, Asguard. You're just kissing up....
     
  21. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    Considering the fact that the basic premise is a strawman, it is pretty obvious that this is just a sham.

    Keep your strawmen to yourself james.
     
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  23. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Good grief, I was AFK for 15 minutes. Where did all this come from?
     
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