Proof there is a God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by JBrentonK, Sep 23, 2015.

  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Don't know about God, but I can count to infinity.

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    Side note, if you hold a mirror up to 3.14, it spells PIE!
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/happy-pi-day-2017-incredible-10023552
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Wow!

    And all I asked for Christmas was a Spaceship.
     
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  7. Michael 345 Bali 1 week here 2 to go Valued Senior Member

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    Holding my breath and counting

    1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi

    Are we there yet?

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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The way Michael worded it, I think he did.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Count slower.

    1 of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, 2 of Great Britain and Northern Ireland...

    Geez, now I hate my father just by how stupid that looks!
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Regardless, your assertion about what some hypothetical people might think is simply pulled out of thin air.

    If we can makes assertions on what we think, why do;t we skip the middle man and just say "I'm pretty sure we will not find God out there". It's a fine ting to say, not it's not defensible.
     
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    None of the people I've talked with are hypothetical.

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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nonetheless, their views are being filtered through your bias.
    I sure wouldn't be pleased if I talked to a theist about atheism, and then he went to some theist forum and mangled my ideas as he presented them to this compatriots.
    Ideally, some rational theists there would pipe up and say "It's a pity that atheist isn't here to make his own assertions and defend them. We're hearing this through your filter. Of course they're going to sound silly."

    Put another way, I'm not prepared here, to take interpretation of someone's views - particularly someone of which you have little respect for their opinions - as impartial or accurate.

    Such a one-sided discussion just ends up being a circle-jerk.
     
  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ALL that applies to your claim which I simply replied to with another view.

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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The difference is, strangers get the benefit of the doubt.
    They're not fools unless you can show they are.
     
  15. Michael 345 Bali 1 week here 2 to go Valued Senior Member

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    Hide and seek must have been hell for you

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  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I did not call them fools or try to show they are fools.
    I do not expect anyone to simply believe anything & everything I say any more than I believe everything said here without any doubt.

    You made a claim which my experience & research indicates is false. I cannot prove it here & you cannot prove your claim here. I have the right to express an alternate to your claim.
    I can list many websites which indicate your claim is false. Or you can Google it for yourself.

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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean past tense? S/he's still playing the first game.

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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Granted. There was some conflation of discussions with others.

    Well, my only claim is that that your claim is weak. I didn't make any claim about what hypothetical people might be thinking.
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    This is the claim I replied to which started all this.

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  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    In recent times, C. S. Lewis has adopted a scholastic position in the course of his workThe Problem of Pain. Lewis follows Aquinas' view on contradiction:

    His Omnipotence means power to do all that is intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. You may attribute miracles to him, but not nonsense. This is no limit to his power. If you choose to say 'God can give a creature free will and at the same time withhold free will from it,' you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix to them the two other words 'God can.'... It is no more possible for God than for the weakest of his creatures to carry out both of two mutually exclusive alternatives; not because his power meets an obstacle, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk it about God.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence

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  21. Michael 345 Bali 1 week here 2 to go Valued Senior Member

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    Now there's a revelation

    Talking about god is nonsense even when you are talking nonsense about god

    Did I get that right please?

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  22. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    When you are talking nonsense about god you are talking ... ...
    Where was I going with that?

    The point is about omnipotence. We shouldn't use logic impossibilities to argue against god.

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  23. Michael 345 Bali 1 week here 2 to go Valued Senior Member

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    I would have thought god would be the

    ULTIMATE logical impossibility

    With that in my mind as a starting point

    and by my logical calculation from that

    point makes god his own worst enemy

    Imagine him sitting there thinking

    By all logic I should not exist WTF

    He is arguing against himself

    If he had any conscience he would

    apologise to us and all the aliens out there

    for the Cowpat mess he made of Creation

    slink off to his Fortress of Infinity and

    never be heard of or preached about again

    NEVER

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