Also what about the problem of evil? There is too much evil and cruelty in this world. Good people are suffering for no reason. Also there is cruelty against animals. I think that if God created this shitty world then he must be an evil monster (that's because this world is really shitty)
(Argh. I hate playing the Devil's Advocate. I've dealt with god issues enough that I've seen these arguments before.) I'm pretty sure that wild animals would see our conservatory efforts toward them as evil, if they could comprehend such a thing. We tranq them, cage them, study then, tag them, pull their (albeit abscessed) teeth out, we even dissect them, and often we release them back into the wild to fend for themselves (OK, not the dissected ones). We don't stop the lion from taking down the antelope, and we don't step between two battling lions, or prevent a new pride leader from killing its young rivals. Yet we know our actions are not evil. They are done for love of the conservation of the animals. I'm not defending God's existence here; I'm simply thwarting one of the weaker arguments.
This may be relevant to the conversation. I found it most informative and seems to confirm my intuitive understanding of morality v. the nature of the universe at different levels of existence. In any case it is entertaining reading and listening. It is an excerpt of the book, *The Mind's I* http://xeny.net/.PreludeAntFugue and the full version, set to Bach's fugue, here called the *Ant Fugue* http://themindi.blogspot.ch/2007/02/chapter-11-prelude-ant-fugue.html
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Mmm... seems reasonable. Gosh. You're right. They do. Atheism is true! I see the light. Thanks for that, it was very enlightening. jan.
And yet you seem to be expecting people to convert to whichever version of Christianity you follow, just because you say so.
Welcome to the search for demonstrable objective Truth! What that means to us personally is purely subjective.
I am not sure if this was already posted here, or on another thread, but IMO, it is also pertinent here. It is a formal lecture at Carnegie Academy of Sciences, by an eminenet Chemist. to avoid the lengthy introduction, go to 25:00 where DR Hazen takes the stage
It is more important to look at what someone does with their belief. Do they use it to foster hate? Do they use it to downplay the concerns and goals of women? Theists and atheists alike can do this.
For all we know evil is the natural atmosphere, and God is nothing but a way to sneak in ideas like goodness, love, and compassion into a world where such concepts are alien. Jan.
