Problems with the biblical Genesis story (split)

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Arioch, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Lee --

    Perhaps you should pick up a book on string theory and read it before you go bandying about theories that you demonstrably don't even have the barest understanding of. I recommend Brian Green's The Elegant Universe, it's a wonderfully engaging book that covers the basics of relativity, string theory, and M-theory.

    String theory can be hard to understand for physicists and even more so for laymen like you and I(from what I've read the calculations involved are so complex that we can't fully complete them as of yet), it's best to go to the source of the information which means going to the scientists who are actually working in that field.

    It's clear from this that you don't even know what those words mean. Might I recommend that you do your homework before you debate with people who've been doing this for years. Agnosticism is the philosophical position that we can't or don't know something(depending on whether you're dealing with strong or weak agnosticism). Atheism is the position of either not believing in god or believing that god doesn't exist(again, depending on what brand of atheist you're dealing with).

    But I have news for you, you won't find very many strong atheists in the world, they're incredibly rare.

    Ugh, you haven't been at this very long, have you? The argument of "what does a day mean to god" is an amateurish argument that's irrelevant as we've already covered that.

    If the bible was written by humans(as all of the evidence suggests) then it was done so using human standards as is evident from the text in question. The word used could have possibly meant "an undetermined period of time" but we know that it doesn't through context clues like the constant use of "morning" and "evening" in the relevant passages. Thus, the text means "a twenty four hour day".

    If the text was written by god directly then he would have known that writing it from his perspective would not have worked as he knew that he was writing it for humans and would have translated accordingly, hence the reference points of "morning" and "evening" in the text. No matter which way you slice it, you can't logically argue your way out of this.

    The rest of your second post is an irrelevant string of unsupported assertions resting on an undemonstrated premise.
     
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  3. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe God will come out with a movie; the printed media is growing old.
     
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  5. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    All ready happened, and a musical - Jesus Christ Superstar, and also the Last Temptation of Christ. Many many others ...

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  7. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    funny..i just watched that again last night..well made for a hippie movie..
     
  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Arioch,



    As opposed to profesional?



    You call this kind of reasoning, covering it?



    Elsewhere in the bible it explains that a day to God is equal to our thousand years, so regardless of whether it was written by humans, it is understood that that is what it means.



    It must mean that the morning and evening in question was relative to Gods' day.



    He would, would He?

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    You're not using logic to come to that decision, you're using your human experience, which is limited.


    jan.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because if taken literally it makes no sense; it even contradicts itself.

    So now you've given up on taking the Bible literally, and are instead taking it figuratively?

    Now you're back to literal. But in any case it doesn't even need to conflict with science; it conflicts with ITSELF.
     
  10. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Jan --

    Yeah well elsewhere in the bible it doesn't put the "morning" and "evening" context. So you can take your halfbaked apologetics and irrelevant semantics elsewhere.
     
  11. Darquise Registered Member

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    ok so yea the bible says that he created day and night but without creating the moon and the sun first there is no night or day so therefore it is a major flaw just like animals came before dinosaurs? and by animals it means like loins and bears and snakes? yea ok but according to actual scientific proof dinosaurs came first and what about adam and eve? didnt they come at the same time and eve was created from adam's rib so wouldnt they be some how related and if they are wouldnt they be incest and isnt that against the bible? so yea the bible is majorly flawed! OH and also the bible only goes back like 5,000 years but the earth is billions of years old and the bible has been rewritten like a hundred times over so who is to say that the stories have been changed or altered in some way??
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Darquise,



    Okay, that's a point of view.
    So what's your reason for accepting that version of events?


    jan.
     
  13. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    The 7 days of creation goes from the first time God created something, so that would be thought up until the End.
     
  14. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Knowledge --

    When put in context, your statement is a bunch of bullshit and chips.
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    billvon,


    Examples.


    Are you saying it doesn't say that, in the bible?
    Or are you saying it is a metaphor?



    Everything I've talked about is literal.



    Examples?


    jan.
     

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