Problems with the biblical Genesis story (split)

@Jan --

Well then we've got a problem because the Genesis creation story says that plants were created before the sun was, and that's just plain impossible.

 

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Does it?


jan.

 

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Yes.
More of your inane delaying tactics.
Plants on the third day, Sun and Moon on the fourth.
Why do you make claims about something you either haven't read, don't remember or aren't prepared to acknowledge?

 

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@Jan --

Yes, it does. You can be forgiven for not knowing that though, you're a christian and the bible is actually one of the least read books among christians so I'll let that one slide, for now.

But since it does say that, and according to you we must take the scripture literally in order to understand it's "true" meaning, and since we know for a fact that it didn't happen that way, we must then conclude that the true meaning of Genesis is that the authors were taking the piss.

 

Jan isn't a Christian, though.

 

Dywyddyr,

I saw no mention of ''Sun and Moon''.



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Which claim are you refering to?


jan.

 

More stupidity.
What, exactly, do you think

are?

The claim that the bible should be read literally, followed by apparent ignorance on what it does say.

 

...''And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. ''...


jan.

 

@Signal --

Really? I thought she was. My bad.

 

So what?
That light and dark does not have sources (as shown by the quote I gave) and did not come from the Sun (as shown by the fact stars did not exist at that time).

 

Where did the light come from, if not from a source?
Where does it say that the stars were brought into existence on the fourth day?

jan.

 

It's god. He can do WTF he likes.
If it was the Sun and Moon then why did he bother to create "two great lights" later on?
Or maybe you can show us the two sources of light we have during each of the night and day?

More of your avoidance and ignorance. Directly after the quote I gave and linked to.

I see you're back to practising your usual dishonesty.

 

Dywyddyr,

Why do you say that?

There's no mention of creating the two great lights later on.

Better still, why don't you show us where the sun, moon, and stars, were created on the fourth day.

To make, is not the same as to create.

Point out where I have been dishonest, or shut the f--k up about dishonesty.

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jan.

 

He apparently had light and dark, day and night, WITHOUT sources.

Um, blatantly incorrect.
As shown by your quote "light and dark" (first day) and then MY quote. The "two great lights" didn't arrive until the fourth day.

I did.

Is it not? Then please define exactly for us what the difference is.

Oh let's see...
You claim the bible should be taken literally, but are apparently unaware of what it states. You ask for support for my point, a support which has already been given...

 

Do you have a reading disorder, or do you just not bother?

 

It's hard to tell with Jan.
He's not above "forgetting" or even lying in order to maintain his ignorance.

 

Dywyddyr,

The ''light'' was the source.
Why should you come to any other conclusion?

They didn't ''arrive'' until the fourth day.
Meaning they could have been shielded from the the earth, by a cloud.

You didn't.

To ''Make''.. to bring into existence by shaping or changing material, combining parts, etc.: to make a dress; to make a channel; to make a work of art.


To ''Create''.. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.

Apparently, you're the one who is unaware of what it states, and your point
doesn't make sense in accordance with any scriptoral reference of creation, most likely because you don't want it to.

So you're the dishonest one.


jan.

 

I've made my points, now you make yours instead of hurling insults.

jan.

 

Arrant nonsense.

Wrong.

In other words they weren't there until he made them.

Also wrong.

So one doesn't create a work of art?

Your own personal definition? Fail.

Since I quoted the scripture directly I think you'll find you're mistaken.

More lies from you.

 

Dywyddyr,

You didn't answer my question.

Why?

Not in the real sense of the word, no.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/make

Whatever!

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jan.