(Pretty Basic) Algebra Problems.

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by AD1, Oct 28, 2002.

  1. AD1 Registered Senior Member

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    First Problem:

    3<i>x</i><sup>2</sup> + 12<i>x</i> +5 = <i>p</i>(<i>x</i> + <i>q</i>)<sup>2</Sup> + <i>r</i>

    For all values of <i>x</i>

    Find <i>p</i>, <i>q</i> and <i>r</i>. And find the "minimum value" of 3<i>x</i><sup>2</sup> + 12<i>x</i> +5.


    Second problem:

    Find <i>a</i>, <i>b</i> and <i>c</i> such that

    <i>a</i>(<i>x</i><sup>2</sup> + 4) + (<i>bx</i> + <i>c</i>) is identical to 7<i>x</i><sup>2</sup> - <i>x</i> + 14

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    Can anyone help with these?
     
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  3. Redrover Registered Senior Member

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    The first one is a peice of cake.

    p(x + q)² + r = p(x² + 2xq + q²) + r
    = px² + 2pqx + pq² + r

    You can then say that:
    3x² = px²
    therefore:
    3 = p

    then:

    2pqx = 12x
    q= 12x / 2px = 12 / 2*3 [remember, p = 3]
    q = 2

    finally:

    pq² + r = 5
    3 * 2² + r = 5
    12 + r = 5
    r = 5 - 12 = -7

    Minumum value:
    That one is thougther. Luckely, we now have the canonical form (ei p(x + q)² + r = 3(x + 2)² - 7).
    So the lowest point of the quadriatic equation is whenever 3(x + 2)² = 0, therefore when x = -2

    So the minimum value is 3(-2 + 2)² - 7 = -7

    The second one is a bit more of a pain.

    a(x² + 4) + (bx + c) = ax² + 4a + bx + c = 7x² - x + 14

    So:

    ax² = 7x²
    bx = -1 x
    and
    4a + c = 14 = 4*7 + c
    c = 14 - 28 = -14
     
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  5. AD1 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for the help!

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    But, you know what? I made an error with the second problem. it <i>should</i> read:

    <i>a</i>(<i>x</i><sup>2</sup> + 4) +<b>(<i>x</i>-2)</b>(<i>bx</i> + <i>c</I>)

    Sorry for the mistake. But your first effort was not in vain. It's given me a better Idea of how to solve these.
     
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  7. Redrover Registered Senior Member

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    The answer is a=5, b=2, c=3
     
  8. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    I just remember I learned nothing in my Algebra classes....I know I should be able to do these...yet they seem impossible! Sorry.......

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  9. AD1 Registered Senior Member

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    I see.

    (a + b)x<sup>2</sup> + (c - 2b)x + 4a + 2c = 7x<sup>2</sup> - x + 14

    Thus

    (a + b) = 7

    (c - 2b) = -1

    (4a - 2c) = 14

    But.

    What step did you then take to deduce that a = 5, b= 2 and c = 3 ? Other than trial and error? I just don't see it.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    a + b = 7 ...[1]

    c - 2b = -1 ...[2]

    4a - 2c = 14 ...[3]

    You need to solve these simultaneously.

    Divide [3] by 2:

    2a - c = 7 ...[3b]

    Rearrange [1] and [2]:

    a = 7 - b ...[1b]
    c = 2b - 1 ...[2b]

    Plug [1b] and [2b] into [3b]:

    2(7-b) - (2b -1) = 7

    Solve:

    14 - 2b - 2b + 1 = 7

    4b = 8

    b = 2

    From [1b] and [2b]:

    a = 7 - 2 = 5
    c = 2.2 - 1 = 3

    So a=5, b=2, c=3
     
  11. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    AD1, is that college algebra ? I've never seen anything close to
    this in my high school advanced math class... aside from equations
    and inequations.

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    Please tell me this is college math

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  12. AD1 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for the help James R.

    Soliddus, this is high school level over in the UK.
     
  13. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    As Cartman says: "Ahh, SON OF A BITCH!"

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  14. Redrover Registered Senior Member

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    I used a matrix to find my answer but James R's solution is probably the one your teacher is looking for.

    This is frankly 10th grade math. If this is thought, you should see my calculus class.
     
  15. Firefly Registered Senior Member

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    I hate algebra, but there's something very satisfying when you finish, and get the rght answer.

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    Might try and get back into algebra.

    That said, Redrover's explanation went straight over my head.

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