Pray For Me

Discussion in 'Religion' started by StrangerInAStrangeLand, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,259
    Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Do you believe? Is your faith strong enough to have your prayers answered? Unless the Bible is telling a lie, if you believe in your god and its ability to answer your prayer, your prayer will be answered. In fact, Jesus himself said "all things" will be given, if you believe. Is your Bible lying? Was Jesus lying? Do you really believe? Find out now!

    Say a prayer for me to abandon my atheism. If you feel you must pray for something else regarding me, that's fine. However, you must pray for something that isn't likely (best if not possible) to happen on its own. For example, don't pray that I'll have good things happen to me. If you choose to pray for something other than me to leave my atheism behind, you also need to specifically explain exactly for what you're praying.

    http://scc.losrios.edu/~library/tutorials/c/quiz/sites/inquisitive79/pray4me.html

    <>
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    188
    Prayer experiments have not produced any positive results.
    There is a slight effect on patients who know that someone is praying for their recovery.
    Compared to a control group, they do worse.
    It is suggested that the cause is increased stress.
    If you know someone is praying for you, then you must be really ill.

    You are, of course, not asking to be healed, so none of my remarks above have any relevance.
    To answer your question...
    ...Assuming Jesus actually said the words attributed to him and assuming he really meant it...
    ...then I think Jesus was deluded.

    I don't believe anyone was taking notes while Jesus spoke (assumption).
    I believe the authors of the gospels invented the sayings (belief).
    These supposed sayings were the kind of sayings that they imagined Jesus said (theory).
    They might have heard some rumours about Jesus and filled in the gaps (guess).

    Filling in the gaps is another way of saying they were "inspired" by the the Holy Spirit (imaginary being).
    To put it another way, they used artistic license (what ever).
    To put it another way, they made shit up (excuse my French).
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    188
    And it appears, I completely misunderstood the OP.

    OK, here goes...

    Please God, your wonderfulness, save this lost soul and convert him to your true religion.

    Did it work ?
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,259
    ^^^
    Not yet.

    <>
     
  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,784
    I am going to specifically pray for you to not genuinely renounce your atheism, as a living example of the power of God's prayer. Given that in answering this prayer God will have shown his alright power, there would surely be only one recourse: to believe whole heartedly. But thanks to his power, you will not renounce your atheism despite him answering.

    Okay, I'm praying...

    ... still praying...


    And.... done.


    Have you renounced your atheism?
     
  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,337
    It seems to me that certain types and styles of prayer can have value as a meditation and as a way of focusing one's thoughts, and as a social ritual that makes a gesture or symbolises something. For example, lots of people observe a minute's silence to remember the dead or something on commemorative occasions.

    But asking God to do things for you would seem to be a waste of time. The evidence for miracles is practically, or entirely, nonexistent.
     
  10. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,151
    Yes.
     
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,259
    No mountains have been cast into the sea by prayer?

    <>
     
  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,507
    Would being thankful for your happiness be enough? And if being an atheist makes you happy, is it necessary to even say a word?
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    9,202
    Indeed. What would you say? An atheist has no one to be thankful to.
     
  14. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,199
    Who is the comedian who made the observation

    God has a master plan for everything in the Universe and you think he is going to change it because you are praying with a $2 bible?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,227
    Mt. Kilauea is oozing into the sea. Does that count?
     
  16. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,507
    The request was placed on others.
     
  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,276


    but
    don't that slow you down none.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    9,202
    I'm not sure what this means, in response to what I said.
    What request? Who are the others?
     
  19. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,848
    The answr coud depend on ther bein an afterlife or not... do you thank ther is an afterlife.???
     
  20. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,199
    Depends if you were / are you praying for that to happen and you can link the two

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,610
    Carlin of course....

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    Except he put it a little less delicately; "I think people treat God rather rudely. Millions and millions of prayers. And most of them on Sunday. His day off."

    "A long time ago God made a Divine Plan and it was a good plan. Now you come along and ask for something that's not in the Divine Plan. What do you want God to do? Change His Plan? Just for you?
    What good is a Divine Plan if every schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your Plan?"
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2018
  22. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,151
    If prayer worked, I could consider that a point in favor of god existing.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,610
    If you could make prayer work for you, you'd be God.....

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
    sideshowbob likes this.

Share This Page