Power, Purity, Meekness and God. The Ugly Reality of Rape Culture.

Would you expect anything different from those sort of people?

 

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Sadly... I guess not...

 

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You know, of all the criticisms I would have aimed at Sarah Palin, advocate for child molestation was not one I would have expected.

Then again, she's a Republican who pretends to have Christian values, so what, really, should I have expected?

Then again, what does one bigot really matter? Indeed, I had occasion in recent days to consider the question of why an individual elevated to iconic status should be remotely important↗. And the answer here is the same as my answer to the other issue; it has to do with her iconic status.

In reality, rape advocacy is all too common in these United States, but there is something about how people perceive the relationship between the rhetoric and a former Vice Presidential candidate that makes Ms. Palin's words stand out that much more. She has a certain iconic value, a societal influence, greater than the average person's, and she uses it to make headlines advocating for child molesters.

It's one thing to say she's a terrible person; I've probably said so a number of times before, myself. But this really is a new standard of sleaze, danger, and general repugnance.

Sarah Palin has, since her emergence on the national scene, demonstrated herself a disgusting human being. And as she uses her position of influence to tell people that child molestation is okay, we can only wonder how her flock will respond.

That's what makes this one person a big deal; she can communicate this disease. Sarah Palin is a scourge upon humanity, and representative of what it takes to hold with ownership culture. In such cases, it's a pretty simple equation. Do you support Sarah Palin? Then I personally would not permit you anywhere near children under my care.

And that's the value of this human being named Sarah Palin. The species suffers for the fact of her existence; she is a scourge upon humanity.

 

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...Basic data about child-on-child sex abuse is detailed in an authoritative, Justice Department-sponsored analysis of crime data from 29 states. Conducted by three prominent researchers, the 2009 analysis found that juveniles accounted for 35.6% of the people identified by police as having committed sex offenses against minors.

Of these young offenders, 93% were male, and the peak ages for offending were 12 through 14, the researchers found. Of the victims, 59% were younger than 12 and 75% were female.

The report referred to a popular misconception that juvenile sex offenders are likely to reoffend, and said numerous studies over the years have shown the opposite — that 85 to 95% of offending youth are never again arrested for sex crimes.

"Now that the data has shown most of those assumptions were wrong, it's difficult to undo those messages that people in the advocacy and treatment fields were putting out a generation ago."...

It is good for society to realize that the majority of these kids are not sexual psycopaths and most are unlikely to re-offend. While I feel disgust with the Duggarts lifestyle in general, it appears the methods they chose to educate Josh worked. He stopped feeling up his sisters. And that is the desired outcome after all isnt it?

 

So let me get this straight:

Beause a study says a vast majority of young abusers are less prone to recidivism, we should ignore Josh Duggar's recidivism that is already on record?​

 

Yes, he’s a violent offender, a serial rapist, toss him under the jail and throw away the key. Just describing his offenses makes one shudder. He touched his clothed sisters and a friend on possibly ten occasions, and likely touched some skin on two of them. Except for one, these were girls he had been innocently touching countless times for their entire lives, but on these select occasions he had evil in his mind, evil mind you, and his hands violated sacred territory. The sacred nature of this territory is such that if violated to any degree without permission, extreme physical and emotional damage will occur to the host body. Such horrendous violation makes all other forms of violation pale by comparison.

 

Advocates tend to exaggerate a situation for their own purposes and there is the whole inherent bias thing we all face. I dont like the Duggarts lifestyle but am aware of my own bias. You dont like the Duggarts lifestyle either but have your own reasons for ignoring your own bias' in this matter.

Josh doesnt qualify under the term recidivism. I have seen no evidence that after Josh was shipped away for 'counseling' there were further incidents so his 'treatment' worked. Come up with something new and I will reconsider. But until then you should take heed to the words of professionals:

..."Now that the data has shown most of those assumptions were wrong, it's difficult to undo those messages that people in the advocacy and treatment fields were putting out a generation ago."...

Your beliefs are behind the curve.

 

I’m in total agreement; this was an example of recidivism in the extreme, he must have been corrected many times throughout his childhood for inappropriate touching, yet he ignored his correction and continued these endeavors to satisfy his evil impulses. Josh likely molested every one in the house as they slept, including the family pets. Moving from one room to the next for hours every night, for at least a year, and possibly from the time he first learned to crawl as an infant. And then he compounded the offense by only confessing to a relatively few instances, thereby depriving his victims of rightful ownership of additional grief and suffering. His behavior was truly monstrous.

No, of course not, you’ve converted me; I’m in complete support of your missionary crusade. I now realize that the labia and areola are sacred epidermal structures, and to violate their sanctity in any way is an act of unparalleled desecration.

 

LOL... Heres your expert (not plural)

California School of Professional Psychology] Professor [John] Caffaro agreed, telling BuzzFeed News that the incidents described in the allegations against Josh Duggar are “clearly more than a ‘mistake.’”
“[The abuse] potentially signals the presence of individual psychopathology, developmental trauma, and significant family dysfunction,” he said. [...]

Hes smarter than you. He wont come out and say "Its abuse. Its sexual Assault. Its developmental Trama blah blah blah. But hes probably read the papers and knows full well...

You should Re-read the josh timeline.

The report says that James told police he was alerted in March, 2002 by a female minor that Josh — who turned 14-years-old that month — had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept. This allegedly happened on multiple occasions. In 2006, Jim Bob told police that in July, 2002 Josh admitted to fondling a minor’s breasts while she slept. “James said that they disciplined (redacted, Josh) after this incident.” The family did not alert authorities.

Jim Bob told police that about nine months later in March, 2003 “there was another incident.” Josh was again accused by a female minor of touching her breasts and genitals. Josh was accused by several minors of touching their genitals, often when they slept, but at times when they were awake.

Jim Bob then “met with the elders of his church and told them what was going on.” No one alerted the police or any other law enforcement agency. Instead they decided to send Josh to a “program [that] consisted of hard physical work and counseling. James said that [redacted, Josh] was in the program from March 17, 2003 until July 17, 2003.”

Jim Bob told police in 2006 that when Josh returned home in 2003, Jim Bob, accompanied by some of his church elders, took Josh to Arkansas State Trooper, Jim Hutchens. Jim Bob knew Hutchens personally. Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a “very stern talk.”

The copy of the original report is here where we first heard about the Duggarts family problems.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...leged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906

Part one is a teen not listening to his parents.
Part two is a teen being sanctioned for actions. Now he took it serious. He beeleeves.

Nope. I am sure you are exaggerating the seriousness of the former situation.

But I will tell you for sure. On a first incident (and that is defined as when I become aware as a parent) and reading what Josh allegedly did, there is no way I am going to bring my kid to the cops. I am going to try to handle it at home. I have my kids future to be aware of, knowing full well extremists such as yourself exist and want to make sure the rest of my kids life is spent paying a debt to you. Because this is about you and not the sisters of Josh.

Your not horrified that a police report that should have never been made public is out there. Your not horrified that the sisters have lost their privacy. Your not questioning why the media violated the rights of these girls. Nope. Your lovin it because you dont agree (nor do I) with the Duggarts lifestyle.

And the simple fact is you cant stand that these girls didnt become victims and went on with their lives without your idea of proper treatment. They succeeded without you!! Dammit. Lets ruin the stuff they had going on because thats what happened isnt it? Now all of them are paying the price.

Congrats!!

 

Wow Milkweed... your vitriol and contempt is almost palpable...

 

I am sure you have. Your an extremist. And your job depends on someone elses mistakes. Of course you hate the duggarts. They cost you money. If everyone handled it without the cops/dhs how many jobs would be lost.... See, it is all about you.

From Fox: The two women said that they didn’t even know what had happened until Josh confessed to their parents, who then approached each child individually and shared it with them. The two women agreed that they were “shocked” to learn of Josh’s actions, but Jill added that their experience was “very mild compared to what happens to some young women.”

Jill said she felt angry at first. But then, she said her parents explained what happened, and Josh came to each victim to ask for forgiveness.

“I had to make that choice to forgive him, you know. And it wasn’t something that somebody forced like, ‘Oh you need to do this.’ It’s like, you have to make that decision for yourself,” Jill said.

Wanna watch the real interview:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/...t-know-about-molestation-until-josh-confessed

More lies. Origin of story: Not Fox news.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...leged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Touch_Weekly

Of Course they Are investigating... now.... suddenly.... LOL Does Josh still live there or is it grandstanding?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...als-denied-access-child-molestation/71053510/

Eye-roll all you want... Your exactly the same with regards to heterosexuality of very young teen boys. I would protect my 14 year old kid from the likes of you absolutely. Your motive isnt in the kids best interest.

 

Wow... I seriously hope you never reproduce, because God help the kids that have to grow up dealing with THAT kind of attitude...

If anything, it seems you are mad, milkweed, because it's not all about YOU and YOUR opinions.

Face facts - sexual assault is a crime, end of statement. The fact that there is ANY confusion about this with the duggarts shows just how far society has fallen. If he had done this to, say, a girl at school or camp, or really to any female who hadn't been brainwashed to think they had to be utterly subservient to men, there would be no question that charges would be filed.

 

Not mocking sexual assault at all, only your analysis and interpretation of it.

Please, seek help.

 

You claim its your job. Its about your income.

They [in touch mag] published the full contents of the police report, which were not redacted sufficiently to protect the identities of the victims, in spite of a judgement by Judge Stacey Zimmerman on May 21, 2015, which ordered for all copies of the police report to be destroyed.

The LAW says not redacted sufficiently. But you dont agree with the judge do you.

And we listen to prosecutors saying "crack is different than cocaine".
And we listen to prosecutors saying "not enough evidence to charge officer whatever with a crime"

And we then discuss how wrong we think this is.

Your wrong. Josh was just a kid with limited resources in dealing with his emerging sexuality. Family took natural and Very Normal steps in correcting the situation. 15 years later we have no further indication Josh is a habitual sexual predator. And he doesnt have to register for the rest of his life as a predator. He grew up to lead a relatively normal life in-spite of what you think of kids like him. But thats because you are behind the curve:

"Now that the data has shown most of those assumptions were wrong, it's difficult to undo those messages that people in the advocacy and treatment fields were putting out a generation ago."...

The Duggarts were right in keeping DHS/Police out of their family. Oh Wait. They did go to a cop right after Josh got back from 'treatment'. Did they know he had child porn on his computer? Nope. No one did.

More lies.

It would not be in the childs best interest, nor the families best interest to have him labeled a sex offender. Potentially for the rest of his life. Stop wondering about why so many do not seek help from the 'professionals'; the answer is directly in your extremism.

 

Actually, and this may come as a surprise to one such as yourself, it's about preventing this from happening to other innocent children.

I'm sorry, but molesting your own kid sister is not a "normal" occurance. "Limited resources in dealing with his emerging sexuality"? What sexual orientation is it that prompts someone to violate their own siblings while they sleep? I can tell you this much - when I was going thru puberty, there was not one time in which the thought "Hey, my little brother is sleeping, I should fondle him" crossed my mind. Are you saying this kind of thought is somehow to be expected?

I am curious how any data could show it to be wrong... after all, a repeated and traceable pattern of behavior is, to most rational people, provides a reasonable basis on which to determine likely future behaviors...

You DO realize that the label of "sex offender" isn't just some way of shaming the person in question, right? It's something that enables people to take reasonable precautions when said person is around - after all, if this was just an "act of opportunity" and a "moment of sinful weakness", wouldn't it be prudent to take steps to ensure such an opportunity doesn't arise again? Or would you prefer he get placed in a situation where he might "slip up" again?

The only "extremism" here is how valiantly some people (such as yourself) are trying to normalize a behavior that has no place in rational society... you are acting as though he was just some teenager who, after a nightly romp with his GF, decided to give her some finger action while she slept... there's a huge difference here in terms of acceptability of behavior:

1) We are talking about something done to a MINOR... or do you presume a 7 year old to be "mature" enough to give consent to such an action?
2) Several times, he did this while they slept... this shows clear intent to avoid recognition and punishment, so it is obvious he KNEW it was wrong - he did it anyway
3) This was not a one-off occurrence... it happened several times. If he was really "just curious" about the differences between his body and theirs, it would have happened once at most. Or, you know, he could have consulted a textbook, gone online, etc.
4) If he just had a "sexual need" to fulfill, the internet has plenty of sources to allow one to wallow in depravity without having to resort to touching ones own family...

 

Did they go to a family friend who happened to be a cop? Did they ask him to break the law by not reporting the incident? Did he break the law by not reporting the incident?

Yes.

Article of faith.

Except for the fact that he has shonw recidivistic behavior, which you try to deny↑ as an article of faith.

We have recidivistic molestation and a conspiracy involving a police officer to keep it off the record.

And here you are trying to normalize this sort of criminality.

The only thing I don't get is what stake anyone thinks they have in empowering sexual abuse. Maybe you can shed some light on why you hope to empower sexual abuse of children.

 

Different issue. Duggarts were not obliged to report but they did have the kid talked to in an apparent 'scared straight' fashion.

Teresa Huizar, executive director of National Children's Alliance, noted that in 18 states, parents and any other citizens are legally required to report abuse to authorities, even if the perpetrator is their child. Arkansas, where the "19 Kids and Counting" family lived, is not one of those states.

Recidivism is one of the most fundamental concepts in criminal justice. It refers to a person's relapse into criminal behavior, often after the person receives sanctions or undergoes intervention for a previous crime.Jun 17, 2014

Your playing with definitions here to try to make your point. I would agree with you if Josh had continued after being sent away for 'treatment'. Until he was sent away there had been no intervention.

Its not about empowering sexual abuse of children. Its about disagreeing with the definition of what is abuse and what is normal.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ddid-duggars-do-right-thing-about-sex-abuse-n369836

Me, I am glad Josh doesnt appear to be a sexual psychopath. And for me, in this case, I am not pro-punishment. No need.

Your real anger isnt with Josh, its with the Duggarts in general.