Pornography: Why???

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by §outh§tar, May 29, 2004.

  1. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Wow, just like smoking... see how well that analogy works? Also see that they aren't actually complete outcasts, especially if you raise them with a REASON for not smoking.
    funny that this is coming from the parent who is toting the church line.
     
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  3. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    If images like that are sexy to you then I can see why they would make you would so vocally oppose them. It's your own reactions you fear not the impact they have on society.
     
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  5. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    People who smoke make up and minority, not a majority, so this argument is null.

    I was using the STORY of Adam and Eve as an allegory to further explain my point... And if we were talking about religion, per say [the church line] , then yes, individual thought is also discouraged.

    In both society and religion, the minority of one is an outcast.
     
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  7. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    No actually. A few years ago in teens it was the exact opposite. A generation ago it was the opposite in everyone.
    Well, tough. You have a choice. You can flow with the group or go your own way. If you have a good reason to go your own way then so be it.... but don't bitch when other people don't agree because you can't support your reason.
     
  8. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    Those images are created to be sexy... That is their purpose. Can you give me any other reason for them?

    Ignoring the fact that some people might find these images sexy and not repulsive is just plain stupid. If that were the case, there would be no need for this discussion.
     
  9. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    Tell that to a child, who's concern is fitting in and being liked.
     
  10. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, explain to them why you think it is wrong.

    You are catching on.
     
  11. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    Persol:

    Despite the fact that you keep telling me that I cannot Explain my reasoning, and I keep trying - you have yet to give even one solid defense for these pictures. Not one.

    At least I am trying to explain why they are repulsive and wrong. You have yet to tell me why they are not.
     
  12. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    I agree that they are not attractive. That doesn't make them wrong.

    Unless you can show some form of abuse or improper usage, you have no right to stop another from doing what they want.
     
  13. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    Why they are wrong:

    1: The sexualize young girls and "trick" them into believing that they are to be considered sex objects.

    2: They exploit the innocence of youth.

    3: They fuel the fire for acceptance of pornography (hard and soft).

    4: They desensitive the love emotion and replace it with a sexual feeling.

    5: They intice deviant behavior by religious and moral standpoints.

    6: They teach nothing of moral value.

    7: They are not art.

    8: They encourge youth to "go with the flow." The flow being: Sex sells - if you want to be liked, be sexy.

    etc...
     
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  14. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    So can you actually show the harm there...

    All you are saying is "I don't like it and think it is wrong. These are my guesses of why I think it is wrong."

    Hell, most of those are just statements with nothing to do with right and wrong. Let's go down the list, shall we:

    1: The sexualize young girls and "trick" them into believing that they are to be considered sex objects.
    That is once again what the parent is for. The term 'sex object' is very overused. Be interesting to see if you could define it.

    2: They exploit the innocence of youth.
    Do you have a problem with little girls posing for sunglass/kool-aid ads? What do the little girls care?

    3: They fuel the fire for acceptance of porography (hard and soft).
    So?

    4: They desensitive the love emotion and replace it with a sexual feeling.
    And you base this on?

    5: They intice deviant behavior by religious and moral standpoints.
    uh huh... based on your religious standards, which are NOT everybodies.

    6: They teach nothing of moral value.
    Neither does eating, or spending your time on a forum instead of talking to your kid. You're grasping at this point.

    7: They are not art.
    Your point is?

    8: They encourge youth to "go with the flow." The flow being: Sex sells - if you want to be liked, be sexy.
    Genetics encourages kids to fit in. If the current 'style' as you say is bad in your opinion... it is your job as a parent to explain this to your kid.

    So, when you realize that you don't have the right to limit other people simply because they don't follow your religion, you'll go long distance.

    If you care to list your actual reason at any time, feel free. Funny how you buried 5 in the middle.
     
  15. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    So can you actually show the harm there...

    All you are saying is "I don't like it and think it is wrong. These are my guesses of why I think it is wrong."

    *** How is there any way to PROVE anything? You might as well argue the concept of truth... Yes, these are the reason I "think" they are wrong. Can I give any more than that...

    Hell, most of those are just statements with nothing to do with right and wrong. Let's go down the list, shall we:

    1: The sexualize young girls and "trick" them into believing that they are to be considered sex objects.
    That is once again what the parent is for. The term 'sex object' is very overused. Be interesting to see if you could define it.

    ***You bring everything back to the parent, as if the parent is the only influence in a child's life. Media provides just as much influence over a child as a parent. Especially a child who is not sheltered, or goes to public school.

    ***Sex Object... A "thing or person" that intices sexual feelings through objectification, as opposed to subjectification. Something that indices sexual feelings solely based on on the carnel instinct, ignoring the mind and/or the "soul."

    2: They exploit the innocence of youth.
    Do you have a problem with little girls posing for sunglass/kool-aid ads? What do the little girls care?

    ***I do if they are half naked and the kool-aid is pouring over their breasts. If they are sexually exploited in order to sell.

    3: They fuel the fire for acceptance of porography (hard and soft).
    So?

    ***You have used the "so" and "so what" arguement to a point where I feel you have no real ideas of your own. How many times are you going to say "so what?"

    ***So-if pornography is a social moray, and we teach children to be sexy and in turn fuel the porn fire, then we encourage feelings of shame and self abasement.

    4: They desensitive the love emotion and replace it with a sexual feeling.
    And you base this on?

    ***I base this on the existence of the pictures. The more one relates the female body to sex alone, the less they will relate it to love, or sensuality.

    5: They intice deviant behavior by religious and moral standpoints.
    uh huh... based on your religious standards, which are NOT everybodies.

    ***I'm pretty sure most religions, not just Christianity, have a problem with the exploitation of children. Even the "modern" Satanist warns about such things.

    6: They teach nothing of moral value.
    Neither does eating, or spending your time on a forum instead of talking to your kid. You're grasping at this point.

    ***Eating is neccasary to sustain life, soft core pornography is not. Spending time in a forum instead of talking to your kid would be wrong - but that's not my case at all. In fact, my "kid" is not here, and probably won't be here until I have one. And when I do, you better believe that I will warn her of the pitfalls of society. My "kid" is only a medium I have used to further my point. Your attack on my personal life is unjustified.

    7: They are not art.
    Your point is?

    ***I was referring to the earlier post about sexuality and art. And how people use art as a pretext for exploiting children.

    8: They encourge youth to "go with the flow." The flow being: Sex sells - if you want to be liked, be sexy.
    Genetics encourages kids to fit in. If the current 'style' as you say is bad in your opinion... it is your job as a parent to explain this to your kid.

    ***Again. No matter how much "explaining" one does, it is impossible to shelter a child from the world.

    So, when you realize that you don't have the right to limit other people simply because they don't follow your religion, you'll go long distance.

    ***This has nothing to do with religion. I only used the Adam and Eve reference as an allegory for parenting. I was referring to the "story" of Adam and Eve, not to and particular belief system. Also, I used religion to explain the "taboo" of pornography and where it has come from. Most "taboos" are rooted in religious beliefs; being as relegion set the laws before society.

    If you care to list your actual reason at any time, feel free. Funny how you buried 5 in the middle.

    ***You are doing nothing at all to further your own points - you only attack mine. Please tell me why you think these images are okay.

    Thanks.
     
  16. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    You are still missing the point entirely. In the end, it is the childs choice. You want them to make the right choice, explain to them why it is right and exlpain why the other way is wrong. It's not a matter of you being the only influence. It's a matter of the kids doing what makes the most sense... which may not be you way.
     
  17. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    And media is telling them that this is the most sensible way to exibit oneself. In tight fit, sexually inviting clothing.

    Yes, in the end it is the child's choice, and a parent can only hope that they will make the right decision. I argue against these pictures, because it makes the choice more difficult for the child - how often do you see an article in YM or a billboard or a TV show that tells children they do not have to be sex objects.

    It's the parent vs. the world. And the parent is outnumbered.
     
  18. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    Not to mention that these pictures are meant to make children appear sexy, which in turn provide justification for pedophelia. Or at the very least, an excuse.
     
  19. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    My god, so dire all the time. Try to have a good relationship with your kids, exlpain to the the way you think and why, and see if they agree. Right now you just sound like a standard fundy.
     
  20. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    Will do.

    I don't think that there is an answer to this problem and in the future it is bound to get worse before it gets better. Next thing you know, society will be encouraging sex play as in Brave New World by Huxley.

    I feel sorry for the kids of today, and for folks that defend these pictures. Outside of morality, which is subjective, there is hardly a reason to be against the idea of sexually exploiting children.

    I suppose in your world, because these pictures don't physically hurt anyone, they are okay? Because providing a base for self loathing is just not a strong enough arguement...
     
  21. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    There are plenty of logical reasons to be against exploition... but that's not what you are arguing.
     
  22. sevenblu feeling blu Registered Senior Member

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    You have played devils advocate for so long that you have lost your own opinions... Unless you can at least attempt to justify yourself, I am uninterested in continuing.
     
  23. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    No, I have plenty of opinions.... but you don't say the government should ban something simple because you have an opinion on it.
     

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