Well, because she isn't really 'dirty'. For all I care she could walk around toples. I just don't see where the big deal is. This is diverging slightly from the thread starter, but I don't see any reason would should put the body at a point of "no, no, we must not see that". If we in the US didn't treat the body as such a taboo, I don't think the enetertainment industry would have much reason to push it. They only do it because it gets attention. It only gets attention because people think that a woman has to be covered or else it is 'bad'. I agree with you that you need to 'leave some for the imagination', but that is more of a preference than anything else. I also don't think woman should weasr capris, as they just look funny. That's not really a reason to make a character judgement on them though. As an aside, in Spain the younger crowd is just as (if not more so) liberal with the clothes they wear. While everyone 'hooks up', there is actually less random sex and 'public indecency'. I'm assuming that this is across most of Europe. The 'problem' the US currently has with the (female) body is mostly a self-fullfilling prophecy.
Yah ... as someone else here mentioned ... the United States generated thousands of complaints regarding the Janet Jackson thing at the Super Bowl. Canada? Three.
Sadly, American Media tells little girls to dress sexy... to wear hardly anything... to act grown up... to flaunt their bodies... Here are some example so we can move on: Here is a link to the Rolling Stone shoot of the Olsen Twins [16 years old]: little girls acting sexy Here is a quote from a popular website: "We have all sat and waited patiently for these two golden wonders to reach the age of eligibility. For some of us...it was Two of a Kind, for others....Full House. No matter how you found them, you're hooked. Well now you can put your calculators and calendars away, [We have]used advanced technology to assure you will not miss the day these two turn 18. Gentlemen, start your engines and get out your best booze. The countdown has begun. The Olsen Twins are waiting for you!" some more pics: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! From the Limited Too. ^ click that link to visit a popular clothing store found in almost every mall in the country... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Underwear for a ten year old? From CNN.com: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ Now I am not suggesting that any of this is actual pornography, but it is popular media - and does "teach" impressionable young girls how to act... Sidenote: While googling I found some rather disturbing links to non-nude sites that promote underage girls in sexy clothing sans the porn. I suppose this is legal, but it seems rather wrong. http://www.teenmodeling.tv/ ------------------ We live in a hypocritical world: Media (televison, newspapers, radio, and Internet) is telling our youth that this is what they should be. Our education system is sad; and the role models presented to the youth of America are presenting the wrong things. This not only happens with young girls, but with young boys as well. Ever heard of Lil' Romeo? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ This is the way it is in America; I'm not sure about the rest of the world. ------------------ Here are your examples: NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS...
I'm sorry... but none of the pictures you posted actually look sexy. The olsens are probably the best example, but not in the image. The point is, who cares what they are dressing like? If you think it's sexy, well, that's your choice.
I chose the least offensive pictures I could find. It is a matter of opinion what is and what is not sexy... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I suppose these pics don't look sexy because you are in a proper mindset, but come on... I refuse to post "sexier" pics just to prove my point; I think that the Abercrombrie & Fitch article from CNN proves it for me. What else do you want? ------- Persol: Are you suggesting that this is perfectly normal. That this is okay?
Ok, I get your point now. There's a big difference between that last picture and the previous ones.' That said, I don't really see how one decides that.... or what could possibly be done.
I don't think anything can be done; we are in a downward spiral... My prediction is that it will just get worse. As far as I'm concerned this is only one step away from pornography. And the only reason these girls aren't naked is because it's illegal. So media pushes the limit as far as it can without breaking any actual laws. BTW: If you happened to see the Olsen Twins on SNL recently, they did a skit about Red Bull and Vodka? VODKA! These are 16 year old girls in a skit about about alchohal - when the legal limit is 21 in NYC. This is extreme... ---- We have laws for a reason, yet media twists them to their liking. Wasn't the Son of Sam killer addicted to "soft core" pornography? Not even soft core. Cheerleader Magazines, and media outlets like YM? http://www.ym.com/
Seven, as attested to by a number of internet countdowns, the Olsen twins are just under two weeks from being eighteen. While eighteen year olds drinking may be illegal, I don't find particularly or even remotely offensive. And regardless of what the Son of Sam was into, wouldn't the fact the guy was a.) a serial killer and b.) thought a dog was talking to him, trump whatever he read? I mean, if you're a fuckin' lunatic, anything can serve as justification for your hateful bullshit.
Another interesting point... There was a time when Porn and Porn Stars were considered deviants, but now they are popularized - accepted - and almost worshipped... Recently there was a movie about a high school porn star seducing high school students. It was called "The Girl Next Door." http://www.thegirlnextdoormovie.com/home.html Sure, this is not porn, but it IS propogating the idea that Porn is okay. Acceptable. These are youths staring in a film about SEX. A comedy. You can argue that the film is rated R, but the previews are played all over television and it stars actresses that set standards for the youth of America. Porn, these days, in America... is not only acceptable... it is big buisness!
Good point... Yes, but whether or not it is ofensive to you, it is certainly a contradiction. The law is telling kids one things, and media is telling them another. Let's try and remember that the Olsen Twins fanbase, until recently, consists of underage girls. How many little girls do you think saw that skit? How many impressionable minds will be warped by these ideas?
Okay, and there was a movie about a hooker with a heart of gold starring Julia Roberts. Doesn't mean prostitutes are worshipped.
Seven ... sure, it's a contradiction, but do you really think that was the first time it was ever implied that people drink before they're of legal age?
My point is that, children are being targetted by the Porn industry. Julia Roberts was an adult in "Pretty Woman." As long a children are easy targets, the future of Pornography (soft and hard) will gain strength.
But who cares? If you want to sit there and get off on that, so be it. I'm all for making sure people aren't exploted... but like everything else, it isn't our nations place to decide what values the people should have,
sevenblu u are right, those pics are distateful and you would have to unobservant or in denial to not see that they are targeting kids sexuality. Those pics are not cool. boy did this post ever wonder from the orginal question. star of eight drinking while underage and encouraging sexuality of kids by media are apples and oranges.
That is the attitude that fuels this fire... There are a lot of people who care. If more people were proactive then perhaps we could fix the problem. I don't want my daughter thinking that her body is the only way she can get ahead in this country - that sex is the most important thing there is. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should go out and buy her a thong for her 10th birthday and teach her how to shake her ass in such a way that people will love her.
Well, that's why you are her father/mother. You can't put the responsibility on the media to teach your child values.... not everybody has the same values as you.
I'm not placing responsibility on media to raise my child; I am only pointing out that media propogates pornography. I will raise her with the values that I think are right/wrong. Only "it take a village to raise a child." And if the village is corrupt, then the child will be corrupt. Personally, I think that media affects her and her schoolmates to an extent that it becomes almost impossible for me to instill values. If I tell her that dressing sexy is wrong and she learns that it is right everywhere else (in school, from friends, televison, her rolemodels) then she becomes confused. There are no standards and no right answers. I certainly can't shelter her from the world.
Nobody is asking you to. You need to talk to your child and actually explain why it is wrong... not just say 'it is wrong'. Believe it or not, not all kids have buy into what the media wants... so it is obviously possible. I'll ask again... so? What the difference between a model posing with clothes on and a model posing with clothes off? Hell, even teh Marboro Man was 'objectified'... but your main complaint seems to be that people are naked. If you can't exlpain this to us, you won't be able to explain it to your kid.
