That looks like he's been caught watching the Psychic channel. Psychic: Ooh, Osama what the cards are telling me is this. People think you are confident, but actually you are quite shy. You could have done a lot more with your skills, but you never got the breaks. I can see a new relationship coming soon. Oh, and you are thinking of moving house. Somewhere near the seaside. Osama: It is all true. You are the only person who understands. Western mystic she-devil.
So you found out why a multi-millionaire, with money gained from those poor Arabs you are talking about, decided to bomb innocent African workers and then fly planes full of innocent civilians into buildings full of innocent people? And justify the murder of innocent people, many of whom Muslims? Again, how does this justify the mass murders of innocent people? Like the Taliban you mean? So his torture justifies Bin Laden orchastrating terrorist attacks that has killed thousands of innocent people? The Iranian Government.
When and how bells? Who's been held responcible for the US giving both Iran and Iraq chemical weapons? whos been held responcible for all the deaths in palistine? The US and the west act like mob bosses thinking that they can set in motion the deaths of millions with impunity, while claiming to be the worlds moral.authority. some of the things that come out of the US reminds me of Carl Williams. In the absance of law choas rains and that's what's happerning.
I think the American people are entitled to know the contents of the porn their hard-earned tax dollars have acquired, and the Obama administration should stop trying to hide these details from the public. It's not about showing Bin Laden's followers that their leader cared more for sexual deviancy than for their efforts in Jihad, and it's not about laughing at Bin Laden's son fapping between suicide attack training sessions. We need to thank the 300lb. woman with 3 boobs for her tireless efforts to distract these monsters from their plots while simultaneously collecting their IP addresses for CIA analysis.
obl raid uncovers "huge" stash of porn Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! perhaps i'm wrong, but i thought that's why these guys hate westerners so much, because we're all heathen sinners. aren't these the same men who keep their wives covered from head to toe and beat them if they speak out of turn or show an ankle? wtf?
And you would be wrong, they hate you because you surport dictators who kill and torture so you can have stable petrol prices
well that's not religious at all. so you're saying that their supposed religious agenda is a front (like ours)? btw, i, even though i'm an american, do not support that. many of us don't.
I don't think you quite understand what I am saying, Asguard. Nothing the US or the West has done can ever justify the mass murders of thousands of people. Nor does it make his actions understandable in any way.
Going to heaven to have relations with many virgins (after you have blown yourself up) is in effect internalised porn. They are hypocrites. It isn't about religion. Their religion doesn't condone killings. They are just mad militants who if they didn't have god would find some other excuse. They blame the West for its superiority. The very superiority born by the West's allowing women to be free and educated and prosperous. This ineffect doubles our productivity. If they were universally (within islamic world) more prepared to allow the emancipation of their sisters they could build stronger societies and begin to catchup with the rest of the world. When will the' idiotic' countries of the world realise that freedom of their people will garner them more wealth than oppression presently does? I suppose it is the will of the people over there. Social evolution has many more steps to make to tackle the overly-chauvinistic attitudes they foster.
You do realise the same argument could be used about WW2 right? That's no matter how bad the Germans and Japanese were it didn't justify the mass murder of MILLIONS, AKA war. The same can be said of the wars in Iraq, afganistan. You yourself said that war has casulties, if its a war then its ok right? (Acording to you) Hell the US fire bombed Tokyo, drasnia, bombed herosima, nagisakie. How many were MURDED by those actions, innocent civillians. The only difference is that this is "us" and that was "them"
FINALLY someone who can actually think behind retoric. Of course its political, OBL was a political person. If anyone bothered to lission to what he was demanding it had nothing to do with religion, no converting the hethans. It was all political, the surport of dictators who operas and kill Muslims, the surport of Israel which murders innocent palistinians. I really pitty Michael Scheuer, his job was to track osama and understand him yet for political reasons his knowledge is iggnored because its easier to belive its a religious war, not one over opression by OUR side http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer
Right... Like the war is going to stop if we understand the other side's problems. Not enough porn. I still have to wonder how many intelligent people on OBL's side believe it is a religious battle. Doesn't it kind of make it a religious battle if the people fighting on both sides believe it is? Why do so many people care about porn? Do we as a race just like pointing out where actiions fail to conform to what we think of as beliefs. Do we just like pounding into the ground something we are uncertain about? Belief implies uncertainty. Porn implies human nature. And now we all get to think, "well, he got to rub one out before we rubbed him out." How are we supposedly opressing people on another side of the world?
I am going to make myself very clear. Maybe, somewhere, you might actually read the words written, put them together and understand what I meant. At no time is the killing or murder of innocent civilians justifiable or acceptable. I don't care what their Government does. Deliberately targetting innocent civilians to further one's own personal agenda or to further the agenda of a country is not justifiable or acceptable. Do you understand now? I honestly cannot think of a single way to make this simpler for you. The dropping of nuclear bombs on Japan is just as unacceptable and as unjustified as flying planes full of innocent people into buildings. Do you understand this? Bin Laden was a cold blooded killer. We are talking about a man who had his own son's friend killed because one of his associates raped the boy. We are talking about a man who had his son's pet monkey killed because he thought Jews inhabited monkeys. To try to argue that his actions were somewhat understandable or justified because of US foreign policy is reprehensible. Nothing can make the actions of anyone who makes it their mission in life to target and kill civilians by any means available justified or acceptable. You carry on as if he was some poor man, hard done by the US. He used the US to achieve his means in Afghanistan, as much as the US used him to achieve their goals in the country in the war against Russia. His wealth came from his father, who would have benefited from the relationship the Saudi royals would have had with the US. He did not give up his wealth, even though it came from the West. Quite the contrary. He used it to deliberately target innocent people trying to go about their day to day lives. Tell me, do you think the Africans he killed in the embassy bombings deserved to die? Was the attacks in their respective countries justified or acceptable or even understandable? The irony of course is that here you are. Trying to convince me that his actions were somewhat understandable and justifiable because of US policy. It's one thing to criticise American policies or the policies of any nation. But when you use that criticism to justify mass murder? Then you're no better than all cold blooded killers out there. Because if you feel that the only way to reach your objectives is to commit mass murder, then you've already lost.
You critise one murder but praise another. Bells how many INNOCENTS died as a direct result of Howard's actions? Do you call for his assisnination or murder? By your own words there is no excuse, not for the slaughter or Iraqi troops and civillans, not for the slaughter of palistinian civillans and not for the murder of afganie civillians. Yet I'm yet to hear you call for Howard, Rudd, Gillard and there cabinate colleges to be draged off to the hauge. Why is that bells? Because our civillans are worth less than theres?
Western powers do not 'target' civilians. The Americans were trying to arrest him but felt threatened. That is the intel we have. Anything else is conjecture?
I agree with what you've been saying, up to this. Unfortunately Hiroshima/Nagasaki were required to bring that war to an end. Had we not done so, far more Japanese would have died (Civilian and Military) And there were really no innocent people in Japan, the people almost universaly supported their Emperor and the war they were fighting and because of the effectiveness of our bombing raids on factories the Japanese military had dispersed the entire war effort of building planes and weapons into the residential areas. And indeed, that's what virtually the entire Japanese population was working on, the war effort. So much so that it's hard for us today to imagine how all consuming the war effort was. (The US was no different, almost all production in the US had also been turned over to the war effort and nearly all able bodied people, including the women (Rosie the Riveter) back in the US were also building Planes, Tanks, Bombs, Ships, Torpedos etc etc. ) so in essence, almost everybody, even relatively young children, on both sides of the conflict were part of the war effort. To understand Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you first have to understand what happened on Okinawa, the prelude to the invasion of the Mainland. In 1945, journalist Sid Moody of the Associated Press summarized it best: 'Before Hiroshima there was Okinawa. Because of Okinawa, in considerable part there was Hiroshima.' Over 250,000 people lost their lives in that one battle. Approximately 150,000 Okinawans, about a third of the civilian population, perished and about half of what were left alive were wounded. The Japanese at that time were determined to fight to the last man, and over 100,000 Japanese combatants died rather than surrender. In the end, fewer than 10,000 Japanese were taken prisoner. US loss of life was staggering as well. The United States Navy sustained the largest loss of ships in its history with 36 lost and 368 damaged. The Navy also sustained the largest loss of life in a single battle with almost 5,000 killed and an equal number wounded. The US Tenth Army would incur its greatest losses in any campaign against the Japanese. During the 82 days of fighting the Tenth Army would lose 7,613 men and over 30,000 men would be significantly wounded. http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/okinawa/default.aspx As bad as Okinawa was though, an invasion of the actual Japanese Mainland would have resulted in FAR more deaths to the Japanese then those two bombs did. The loss of American lives would have dwarfed Okinawa. Arthur
The BS position you are taking is that if a single civilian dies then a War to get rid of a ruthless regime is not justifiable and you know what? Every fucking dictator in the world agrees with you.
