Pope's Justification For Pedophilia

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html#ixzz19Wmdzyir

I am curious what Christians think.

 

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I think it's insane politics.

 

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Isn't Christianity a great religion! NOT!

With statements like that no wonder people are leaving the Catholic church in droves these days. How many children will have to suffer at the hands of these perverts before people just stop going to the church altogether.

 

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you don't "go" to church anyway. christianity isn't meant to be a religion, it's meant to be a state of existence, that doesn't require, encourage, or rationalize, any of this pageantry, politics, greed, lies, or pedophilia. the catholic church is not the church.

i am the church.

 

i do not consider Catholics as Christian,the word Christian only means 'Christ-like', and i seriously doubt that Christ was a child molester..

attack catholics all you want, just don't include christians in that..

(yes i am aware that catholisism was founded on jesus,they lost their way..)

 

christians are wolves in sheeps clothing. all of them. even the ones on here who pretend otherwise. they may not even realize it but they are perpetuating a religion because it all is based on the bible which will continually uphold and strengthen religion.

all fundamental religions need to have less power.

 

In fact, child pornography indeed seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society.
Many kinds of evils indeed seem in some way to be considered more and more normal by society.

Consider, for example, how people have been giving in to capitalist exploitation. Everyone sees it, the majority of the population suffers from it, but few act against it.

In the name of democracy and free speech, a number of things are becoming considered more and more permissible.


It is a grave misconstruing of what the pope said to claim he justifies paedophilia in the Catholic church on the grounds that society views it as more and more normal.

The pope clearly
1. "called on senior clerics “to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred” and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message"
and
2. "said sex tourism in the Third World was “threatening an entire generation”".

Obviously, he is not in favor of paedophilia, and does not justify it.

 

You compared capitalist exploitation -in a capitalist system- with child rape?

How or where child pronography is being considered normal? Most of the world fighting with it very fiercely.

Obviously not something to be proud of, but in my country if you're not already killed, you'll be dead in a week in the jail along with the other rapists.

And you think fundamentally there is nothing wrong with Pope's statement?

 

How many times have you seen the movie "Stigmata"?

Does the movie's release coincide with your unfortunate experience leading you to Jesus, or did it all happen later?

 

this is what the bible says...

Revelation 17

Babylon, the Prostitute on the Beast

1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

BABYLON THE GREAT

THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES

AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

 

And this is related to child rape ignored by the church, because?

 

Don't be biased. Add Muslims, Jews, Buddhists...etc. all the bullshit bearers to the list.

 

did you read it?

birch was talking about the bible perpetuating such things. again, THE church is not the catholic church. the catholic church, along with any organized religion that seeks to take the place of the church, is a whore.

what is a whore? it's a cheap substitute for a bride. one that can be bought and sold.

 

Whore is not a cheap substitute for a bride. Whore is a prostitute. A heavy worker in urgent need of a strong international union and the respect she/he deserves. They are not in any way different or less moral serving a society than others.

The civilisation we have is a disgusting hypocrisy, an archaic system of a thousand standards of bullshit.

Your idea dictates -with all the religion's bullshit- "if you want to have sex, get married!" which is an impossibility even in your delusion.

It's not your god's or anyone's place to tell people who or how to fuck!

I understand what birch is saying, I agree with him and added more of the perpetuating kind.

Your pope should have said: "There is nothing against pedophilia in the bible." At least it would be consistent with the book. Wasn't there something about homosexuality in it? Apperantly child raping goes OK., but not sex between consenting adults.

 

I am adding a second link explaining the very supporting "logic" for Pope's statement.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_eng/text.html#1

"...In modern thinking, the word "conscience" signifies that for moral and religious questions, it is the subjective dimension, the individual, that constitutes the final authority for decision. The world is divided into the realms of the objective and the subjective. To the objective realm belong things that can be calculated and verified by experiment. Religion and morals fall outside the scope of these methods and are therefore considered to lie within the subjective realm. Here, it is said, there are in the final analysis no objective criteria. The ultimate instance that can decide here is therefore the subject alone, and precisely this is what the word "conscience" expresses: in this realm only the individual, with his intuitions and experiences, can decide. ..."

No, there is a very objective criteria. Children have to be protected from any kind of harm. No god, realm, individual or subjective opinion or a twisted logic have a right to blurr this. It's simple.

And if your religion and "morals" falls outside of this "objective realm", it's simply supporting what's happening.

 

you of course can refer to someone as a whore even if it's not in relation to selling sex, and of course i was referring to a whore as a prostitute in regards to the analogy i made between the catholic church and THE church, and the whore in revelations and the bride of christ.

i'm not talking about your stupid fucking morals, nor telling you who or how to fuck, so perhaps you'll refrain from your pathetic, defensive, emotional tyrade.

in the bible, the relationship between christ and the church is referred to as a marriage, and represents communion.

 

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I am not a Catholic, nor am I a defender of the faith. However, in all honesty the article cited in the OP grossly misrepresents what the Pope said. The Pope did not endorse child porn or any other kind of porn nor did he endorse child abuse - sexual or otherwise.

The Pope did try to explain what happened. And he admitted church cuppability, but he also said that society was becoming more tolerant of sexual misconduct.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/20/world/main7168168.shtml

"Benedict also said, however, that the scandal must be seen in a broader social context, in which child pornography is seemingly considered normal by society and drug use and sexual tourism are on the rise.

"The psychological destruction of children, in which human persons are reduced to articles of merchandise, is a terrifying sign of the times," Benedict said.

He said that as recently as the 1970s, pedophilia wasn't considered an absolute evil but rather part of a spectrum of behaviors that people refused to judge in the name of tolerance and relativism.

As an avalanche of cases of pedophile priests came to light, church officials frequently defended their previous practice of putting abusers in therapy, not jail, by saying that was the norm in society at the time. Only this year did the Vatican post on its website unofficial guidelines for bishops to report pedophile priests to police if local laws require it.

"In the 1970s, pedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children," the pope said. "It was maintained - even within the realm of Catholic theology - that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a 'better than' and a 'worse than.' Nothing is good or bad in itself."

"The effects of such theories are evident today," he said.

The traditional Christmas speech to Vatican cardinals and bishops is an eagerly anticipated address that Benedict uses to focus the church hierarchy on key issues.

Benedict has previously acknowledged that the scandal was the result of sin that the church must repent for, and make amends with victims. He repeated Monday that the church must do a better job of screening out abusers and helping victims heal.

"It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal," said Barbara Blaine, president of the main U.S. victims' group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

She said the scandal wasn't caused by the 1970s but rather by the church's culture of secrecy and fixation with self-preservation in which predator priests and the bishops who moved them around rather than turn them in were rarely disciplined.

"Whenever the pope tires of talking about abuse and starts acting on abuse, he should focus on taking immediate, pratical steps to oust those who commit, ignore and conceal clergy sex crimes first," Blaine said.

The sex abuse scandal, which first exploded in the U.S. in 2002, erupted on a global scale this year with revelations of thousands of victims in Europe and beyond, of bishops who covered up for pedophile priests and of Vatican officials who turned a blind eye to the crimes for decades.

Questions were raised about how Benedict himself handled cases both as archbishop in Munich and as head of the Vatican office that handled abuse cases.

Recently, the Vatican released documentation showing that as early as 1988 then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger sought to find quicker ways to permanently remove priests who raped and molested children in a bid to get around church law that made it difficult to defrock priests against their will.

While Ratzinger was unsuccessful then, Vatican rules now allow for fast-track defrocking. But victims advocates say the Vatican still has a long way to go in terms of requiring bishops to report sex crimes to police and release information and documentation about known pedophiles. " - CBS

 

Let it out girl, but don't go beyond yourself with concepts, you confuse yourself, it looks embarrassing.

It's perfectly clear what's meant in my post. Interestingly you're intelligent enough to understand it, but not good at acting stupid.

I am not talking about my fucking morals either, it's private.

It's not any irrelevant than your answer to birch's post. Actually, mine is better related to yours,his and the topic.

 

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