Pope calls for palestinian state...

We are all ignorant, everyone point of view is relative and truth is extremely hard to define.

 

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Electric of course. You suggested a different approach so I was being nice. I mean you and I haven't had any exchanges on this thread so far have we.

 

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No difference between you and a fucking Nazi. You both blame the victim.

 

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No difference between you and a fucking Nazi. You both blame the victim. Your own statement negates your claims of sovreignty.

 

'Gave them the land' don't you love it. Its not even an occupied territory or rightful lands anymore its now a 'gift'.

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The Nazi reminds me far more of the Israeli actions than Palestinian.

Its not your land. You had every chance to come back and claim but didn't. You gave up your bigoted claim years ago.

First off it wasn't a wasteland. It has been described as lush and productive for arround 500 years. And no you let some of them stay IN THEIR COUNTRY after you took it by force.

Well considering their was no jewish country 5000 years ago it appears your historical knowledge is up to your usual standard.

I know you took it by force after it was made Illegal to take land by force so fuck laws you want it.

 

pj, the Jewish State existed until 597 A.D. so that would make the number of years of forced exile 1,412, not 5,000, and it was a forcible exile, by the Romans, so even according to your arguments, the land belongs to the decedents of those forced off their family lands.

 

There was no exile, its a myth

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959229.html

Yeah, the Palestinians.

 

Well your history is up to its normal standards as well worse than feds. There was no jewish state on 597CE. The eastern roman empire never allowed the jews any self control to a real degree. The last independent jewish state end in 140BCE and the 5000 years asseration was made by your fellow rightie lacking a knowledge of history fed. Fact the jews at numerous times were invited back to Palestine before the romans and after yet the majority of the jewish population remained elsewhere. That act gave up their claim to the land. and thank you for making the asseration that Israel land grabs are illegal.

 

pj,

Judea (Iudaea) was the Roman name for the Land of Israel during the heyday of the Roman Empire. This meant not only the area called Judea in Israel today; it included the whole area ruled and/or chiefly inhabited by Jews.

Judea lost its independence to the Romans in the 1st century BCE, by becoming first a tributary kingdom, then a province, of the Roman Empire.

Queen Alexandra Salome had recently died, and a civil war broke out between her sons, Hyrcanus II and Aristobulus II. Pompeius restored Hyrcanus but political rule passed to the Herodian family, first as procuratores and later as client kings. In 6 CE, Judea came under direct Roman rule as the province of Iudaea.


The Herodian Dynasty was a Jewish dynasty of Idumean descent, who ruled Iudaea Province between 37 BC - AD 92.

So were is your history now? a Provence is still a state entity.

Now as to history just maybe we need something more than your assertion that;

So us were any concrete steps were made to accomplish such fact, I know you want to point to Napoleon, but what did He do to make such a offer fact, and how could he have completed such a act as He was only in power for such a short time in France.

Show were the moneys were committed, and the laws passed to make it so.

You can invite anyone anywhere, but if they don't have the wherewithal to move what is accomplished, nothing more then a hollow gesture.

That is the difference, moneys were avalable, and laws were passed, to make it so, and Israel saw the light of day again after 1600 years.


Over the past three thousand years, the name "Israel" has meant in common and religious usage both the Land of Israel and the entire Jewish nation

Levine, Robert A.. "See Israel as a Jewish Nation-State, More or Less Democratic". The International Herald Tribune. ISSN 0294-8052. http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/11/07/edlevine.t.php. Retrieved on 2008-07-29.

The earliest archaeological artifact to mention "Israel" (other than as a personal name) is the Merneptah Stele of ancient Egypt (dated the late 13th century BCE) where it refers to the people of the land.

Barton & Bowden 2004, p. 126. "The Merneptah Stele... is arguably the oldest evidence outside the Bible for the existence of Israel as early as the 13th century BCE."

 

But not a state which was your claim.

 

Parch the word any way you want to but as a Historical Fact,

Judea (Iudaea) was the Roman name for the Land of Israel during the heyday of the Roman Empire. This meant not only the area called Judea in Israel today; it included the whole area ruled and/or chiefly inhabited by Jews.

Judea lost its independence to the Romans in the 1st century BCE, by becoming first a tributary kingdom, then a province, of the Roman Empire.

Queen Alexandra Salome had recently died, and a civil war broke out between her sons, Hyrcanus II and Aristobulus II. Pompeius restored Hyrcanus but political rule passed to the Herodian family, first as procuratores and later as client kings. In 6 CE, Judea came under direct Roman rule as the province of Iudaea.


The Herodian Dynasty was a Jewish dynasty of Idumean descent, who ruled Iudaea Province between 37 BC - AD 92.

a Provence is still a state entity.

 

Judaism has a history beginning 500 years after Moses, i.e. after the reign of Solomon. There is no evidence that Judeans = Jews. And if staying a few hundred years in Palestine makes Hebrews into Palestinians, then 2000 years outside it make them foreigners. Unless you think you're more European than American with a few hundred years of history in the United States.

 

And We hear from the netural party.