OK lets make some assumptions: Police don't shoot to kill, they aim for the body and they make a written report every time they draw their gun. Choke holds (rear naked choke ) aren't meant to kill but subdue... Yadda yadda. I think I've said enough that people can grasp my thinking. Should police be allowed to use choke holds in a non lethal fashion before drawing their gun? :EDIT: I voted yes, yet I should mention I'm not intimidated by police - the judge would be a different story! The last time I was under "arrest" (was having a mental meltdown and was severely drunk in public) the cop drove me to the hospital aka no criminal charge. The cop asked me if I was drunk and I said "yes"... Didn't have to do a breathalyzer or anything. (did get to wear handcuffs though) Just knew lying to police is obstructing justice and that would be bad for me. (Plus they guy was three times the size of me and I was drunk.) Moreover there was three cruisers. One cop talked to me he had his backup and supervisor, hence, I wasn't going anywhere... (Someone called the cops on me cause they were worried about my wellbeing.)
According to a Freedom of Information request from 2017 made public, the Metropolitan Police force state that neck restraints are not taught within the officer safety training programme, with only rare exceptions. They state they discourage them as being inherently risky, with risk of serious injury or fatality to the subject. [source here] So while they are not explicitly banned, they certainly don’t seem to be encouraged in any way, and actively discouraged. At least by the Met.
i have watched a highly skilled martial artist use strangle on a violent person in a club of crowded people very effectively he had probably 10 years experience in martial arts it was extremely effective and resulted in no one being injured choking is a very high skill fraught with danger of crushing the throat & killing the person before medics can get there and unless u can do a tracheotomy they are as good as dead within in couple of minutes
I think there should be independent investigations every time there is an unarmed death. It should be to find blame of course but it should also be an ongoing learning procedure to learn from the past just like the NBSB does with airplane accidents. There should also be better evaluations given (mental fitness) before becoming a policeman. Choking is probably not a good idea but banning it is a piecemeal approach and probably a lot more change is needed than that.
Police in most US departments are (supposedly) not allowed to shoot unless justified in killing and willing to kill. All shooting is potentially - even likely - to be crippling for life if not immediately lethal. So it's a basic rule: don't shoot anything you aren't willing to kill. Don't even point a firearm at anyone you aren't willing to kill. There is no such thing as a "non-lethal" choke hold "fashion". Any effective choke hold can kill. Along with rubber bullets at point blank range, tear gas canisters at point blank range, beating the already incapacitated with clubs, kicking the incapacitated in the head or vital organs, and so forth, choke holds carry a substantial risk of serious and permanent injury in addition to the pain and suffering they cause. That's why many police officers use them - they want to inflict pain and fear on the vulnerable. Shooting someone in "the body" is likely to cripple or kill them. The police are trained to shoot at the biggest target, the center of mass, because otherwise they are likely to miss. It's not easy to fire a handgun accurately in real life circumstances. That does mean the police are likely to cripple or kill the people they shoot, but they are not supposed to be shooting in the first place if crippling or killing is not ok. As far as having to fill out a written report every time they "draw their gun", notice that in many of the police firearm killings that have turned up in the news recently the initial and official accounts by the police failed to include such written reports even in circumstances far beyond merely "drawing" the gun. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-police-breonna-taylor-death-incident-report/
lol that there is a large part of the real problem America is American culture UK has universal health care USA does not clearly that shows that British people value human life far more than USA culture, society & their politicians & legal system USA has the death penalty UK does not Gun violence in the USA Verses UK gun violence ? i do see and read your obvious mocking tone but are you mocking those who are pro carrying guns in public for anyone & pro un regulated guns in society and pro no regulations on police ? applying an American cultural problem to the UK and then attempting to equate the 2 as comparable values of human nature is simply flaming the subject
trolling fyi like floyd the size of the neck & the body type defines the difference between the applied force to create arterial blocking, nerve blocking esophageal constriction through muscle pressure etc etc applied pressure directly to the spine at the back of the neck with a large body type larger boned structure compresses the muscles and tendons to create bodily pressure to compress the nerves & spine while partially blocking the esophagus the head being turned side ways uses the large neck muscles which by being twisted create an arterial constriction blood circulation is cut off almost completely to the brain when pressure is then applied to the back to prevent the lungs from moving, it starts to starve the blood supply of oxygen this means the body is not only loosing oxygen delivery to the brain and vital organs, but is also loosing total over all oxygen saturation in the blood stream the combined pressure on the spine is a stress position which directly makes the body go into shock. shock kills(as they say) allowing un trained psychologically unstable people to use hand guns is bad management endorsing that in other forms of deadly force is also bad management trying to troll the subject by characturing the difference between strangles & chokes is past childish was floyd a wife beating home invader ? i dont know no one has published any court documents why not ? who are you trolling for ? soo glad dont live in the USA they have soo many serious problems and those in power do not wish to change anything because they are completely un accountable and that is the way everything is built up to support they want a right to all the power but demand to not be held accountable for using it(& to not be held accountable for owning all the rights to it while actively denying others to use that power) ... p.s The mistake is in thinking they wish to solve the problem of people dying & being hurt they dont they wish to only solve the problem of being held accountable for their use of power then someone suggests "give them more power so they do not have to have any more accountability" and the population cheer & the band goes marching on cycle around and around ...
Looking at the fight (in reality staged choreography rough and tumble) the few seconds you glimpse choke hold to me it looks more like a "trying to break neck by pulling opponents head backwards" Stupid hold in a stupid sport and a good reason for such stupidity to be retired Very telling is when one of the contestants voiced something like "one time I really wanted to hurt him" As I said staged choreography rough and tumble with the winner all ready decided and fake fighting to whip up stupid spectators to pay and gamble on who win in the next match Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I'm prencis peach and I don't like the thought of bullets. But, here's something probably more interesting.
The topic was choke holds used by the police. In martial arts combat there is a referee, and rules. No one in a wrestling or UFC ring is allowed to choke anyone for 8 minutes, for example - and there is a referee right there, to make them stop, and to enforce consequences if they don't. There are rules for police, in the US - they vary by department, but none allow murder. There are no referees, however. Not unless someone has a camera. The cop who killed the guy in New York was violating the rules - New York police are forbidden to use choke holds in that situation. He did it anyway, as he had many times before, because he faced no consequences (all the good cops were somewhere else, as usual) - until the guy died on camera.
Mickey Mouse? Garbage from the usual source? No police officer that I know of - none in Minneapolis, and none in the national news - has ever been arrested for choking a handcuffed "suspect" who did not actually die. Nor have any been arrested for kicking handcuffed "suspects", beating them with clubs, spraying mace and tear gas in their eyes at point blank range, and so forth. They haven't even been fired. They are still on the force. They are working side by side with the good cops, right now. All these good cops - they're never around when needed. They show up later - after the camera footage comes out, after the lawsuit is filed and it turns out there's evidence behind it, after the shit hits the fan. If there is no camera footage, if there is no evidence except witness accounts and the like, the good cops never show up at all.
Maybe, cause I've had seizures that have knocked me out and I woke in the hospital, means I don't care.
watched a guy get strangled unconscious once around 150 people watching ref was standing about 2 meters away interesting thing was that the guy had no memory of going out he was about 16 years old great learning opportunity digging up those files .. i think his parents sent him for brain scans a 4 days after(happened on a saturday or sunday, he didn't tell his parents until the monday or tuesday night, they sent him to hospital for brain scans on the following day) Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! kids ! hahahaha watched a 13 year old girls neck get almost broken once hair line fracture maybe with a strain stretchered out to ambulance straight to universal health care hospital full body scans back the next day in a neck brace telling people not to worry lol
