Please Forgive Me

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  1. D'ster Registered Senior Member

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    Slaver's Descendant Begs Forgiveness

    A DESCENDANT of England’s first slave trader knelt in chains in front of a crowd of 25,000 Africans this month and asked forgiveness for his ancestor’s actions.

    Check out the Picture:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2236871,00.html
     
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  3. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    I read that.

    I think it's ridiculous.

    No one should be apologising for slavery. The only reason we got rid of slavery in the last 300 years is because we have machines that can do the job better. Slavery is a basic part of civilisation. Every great civilisation used slaves.

    If your people are enslaved, it's because you were too weak to defend yourselves, and you therefore deserved to become slaves. That is the model the world runs on.

    If anything the ex-slaves should apologise for being so fucking whiny about it.
     
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  5. nicholas1M7 Banned Banned

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    D'ster,

    Why don't you and your little friend just take over Sciforums and call it the KKK convention, Lawd.

    Anyway, I didn't want to actually dignify this post with a response but I thought it worth a shit. I noticed that you tell us to "check out the picture" and yet... the article says so much more. It seems that you were too busy checking out the picture that you forgot to read this paragraph (which amusingly happens to be the fourth paragraph):

    Now for my three questions:

    1. Do you belong to that Christian charity?

    2. Did they put a gun to anyone's head?

    3. Does it make the Christians feel good to be "forgiven"?

    Sure, you can argue that what they're doing looks pretty pathetic but thats only at worst! Otherwise, you don't have to start panicking about every white man becoming a Christian and asking forgiveness from every black man. Besides, I'm sure half the African men and women are indifferent to it. The whole Christian act is stupid and I think its masochistic to want to suffer. They believe it brings them peace of mind when all it probably gets them is a weird look from the Africans or at best a "thankyou".

    You weren't there to see what was going on. The Africans could have just as easily spit on them and yell "LICK ME! WE DON'T WANT YOUR PRETENTIOUS APOLOGIES AND SELF-PITY" but instead the African crowd responded like this:

    And for that we should be putting our hands together for the event instead of bitching about it, even if slavery is not something worth apologizing for. Because according to this account, the whites and blacks were brought even closer together because of the slavery card.

    If your going to expect to recruit any KKK members, get something better and read more, search Google, etc.
     
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  7. Yensen Registered Member

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    Honestly, I think you're underestimating, or taking too narrowly, Schleebenhorst's statements nicholas. That's not so much a racist ideology as a profoundly anti-compassion, anti-decency, anti-human one.
     
  8. D'ster Registered Senior Member

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    nicholas1M7,

    If you had the chance would you beg the Africans for forgiveness too?
     
  9. candy Valued Senior Member

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    Why should anyone ask to be forgiven for something someone else did?
     
  10. nicholas1M7 Banned Banned

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    You mean, if I had a chance would I beg anyone for forgiveness if I felt guilty about something? Yes.

    But if I did not do the thing, it would of course be stupid.

    They do it because they want to be good Christians. They're not doing it because they're guilty of it.

    Its for their conscience. What else do you expect from Christians? These are the same people that harrass you about Christianity at your doorstep for crying out loud.
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Don't blame me for the 7th day adventist, they do their own thing.
     
  12. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    exactly, im not going to apologise on behalf of one of my ancestors. to do such a thing must take a person of enormous self-importance to think that he is really worth the time of day to these people
     
  13. D'ster Registered Senior Member

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    Because blacks blame anyone today who is white for slavery.
     
  14. broadandbeaver 'Now I am become Death Registered Senior Member

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    Didn't you state you were a Jew? Talk about blaming everyone for there problems...
     
  15. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I was amused by the juxtaposition of these two statements with Schleebenhorst's tag line "Educated White Man".

    Delightfully whimsical. I must check out a few more of his posts to see if there are similar gems of such deep perception and awesome scholastic knowledge.
     
  16. D'ster Registered Senior Member

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    The core of the Jewish religion is to be responsible for your own problems.

    It is much better then thinking somehow some dead Jewish guy nailed to a cross is going to take care of our problems.
     
  17. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    I've completely missed your point.

    Maybe because it was buried in all that pretentious snotty talk?
     
  18. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, the post was not directed to you, it was about you. Here is a translation in language you will understand

    Jeez, that G.F.Schleebenhorst sure is a fucking, ignorant, racist asshole. I plain fell on my butt laughing at his crass stupidity.

    I do hope that helps. If I can be of any further service to you don't hesitate to let me know. I was raised to take especial care of the intellectually challenged, so I would find further efforts in this direction morally rewarding.
     
  19. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    On your "butt"? Do you think I am a yank? Or did you take care to type "butt" instead of something more coarse in a sentence full of assholes and fucks?

    I am an educated white man. What's so strange about my opinion? I am a realist. Do you think all us white folks should display guilt and feel that we should apologise to africans for slavery? Just yanks or Brits too? Do you think we should dismantle the parthenon and the pyramids (controversy aside) because they were built by slaves?

    Do you actually have an opinion on this subject or did you just come in here to troll?
    I don't think you actually expressed anything other than the deciphered/snob versions of "u suk" that were directed at me, which means I, the "racist", have at least contributed something to this discussion, whereas you, mr. google-know-it-all, have contributed fuck all....and more importantly - do you think anyone in 2006 actually says "Delightfully whimsical" outside of a fucking Jane Austen novel or other than some pretentious little pseudo-intellectual turd on an internet message board trying to look more intelligent than someone else?
     
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  21. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I have no thoughts on your nationality. It is of zero interest to me.

    As I already explained, the sentence was expressed in terms you had hinted might have been more intelligible to you. I can make it cruder if you wish.


    I am quite ready to accept your word on the matter of your 'race'. I am quite doubtful about your education, but then I base this purely on your own remarks, so I may be mistaken. It has happened before. 1988, if I recall correctly.

    Your opinion is quite commonplace; it was your grasp of history I found amusing.
    Yes, I've run across them before. They are truly hilarious. Rib tickling all the way to the meeting in the forest to hear the tree fall.
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    Well, for starters I think we could stop talking about 'all us white folks' and 'all us blacks' and 'all us muslims' and 'all us Republicans'. I think it would be useful, as humans, to condemn unreservedly the kind of slavery you have in mind, regardless of who practiced it, and on whom.
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    There is no controversy. Any educated white man knows the pyramids were not built by slaves. And you really ought to look into the nature of slavery in Greece (and Egypt for that matter). Quite a different state of affairs from what your educated (I do have to chuckle) mind imagines it to be.

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    I mainly came along to troll. I was feeling lazy and you seemed such an easy target. But I have also covered my opinion, as it relates to your good self.

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    Well, at least you picked up on the central message. There may be some hope for you. Keep applying yourself.

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    I didn't think Austen wrote pornography, so I'll assume you were just being crude.

    Delightfully whimsical: I speak that way much of the time. My eccentricity earns me at least an extra $20,000 a year, so I don't really want to abandon it.

    I wasn't trying to look more intelligent than you. I am more intelligent than you.
     
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